Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque

The bloodied will always try to parse and twist and bend the testimonies into something that they weren't. Case in point: Oswald's claim about eating his lunch. 

I cited what Jarman and Norman did precisely because Captain Will Fritz took their statements and combined them with Oswald's in order to fabricate a statement that was never made.

When asked for Oswald's alibi by Joseph Ball, Fritz said this:

"Well, he told me that he was eating lunch with some of the employees when this happened."

Those employees could only have been James Jarman and Harold Norman. But when "this happened" they were here:

So, what Fritz said was a grotesque lie- a bold-faced lie- and he knew it. Fritz knew clearly and sharply that Oswald never told him that he was eating with Jarman and Norman during the assassination. In fact, Oswald never said that he was eating with them at all. He just said that they "came in" while he was eating. 

I ate a sandwich and an apple once just to see how long it took. It took 7 minutes. I wasn't gulping it down either. 

Oswald cited Jarman and Norman primarily to prove that he was there by naming others who were also there (just as he named Bill Shelley to prove that he was in the doorway). But, it also established the time that he was there in the Domino room.    

Now, we don't know where in the timespan of his being there that Jarman and Norman came in, but let's assume that it was exactly in the middle. That's the most reasonable thing to do if we don't know otherwise. If we assume that he was in there for 10 minutes, that would mean that he was in there eating for 5, then they came in, and he continued eating for 5 more minutes, and then he was done. 

To reasonable people: don't you think we can assume that once he was done eating, Oswald would have left to watch the event? Why not? He had nothing better to do. He had nothing else to do. He didn't read the newspaper that day. Leastways, nobody reported that he was seen reading the newspaper that day, and he didn't say he did. And he definitely knew about the motorcade. James Jarman told him that morning. 

Mr. JARMAN - Well, he was standing up in the window and I went to the window also, and he asked me what were the people gathering around on the corner for, and I told him that the President was supposed to pass that morning, and he asked me did I know which way he was coming, and I told him, yes; he probably come down Main and turn on Houston and then back again on Elm. Then he said, "Oh, I see," and that was all.

So, like everyone else, Oswald knew that the President was coming.
So, he's in the domino room; he's eating his lunch; he sees Jarman and Norman; he finishes eating. 

This is by Don Thomas:

Junior Jarman, Oswald’s direct supervisor, told the FBI that he saw Oswald leave the first floor, boarding one of the freight elevators with his order pad in hand, presumably to fill an order for books, at approximately 11:30 (CD 5, p. 334). Charles Givens was part of a four (not six) man work crew that was laying plywood flooring on the sixth floor that morning. The crew broke for lunch early because the President’s motorcade was expected to pass the building during the noon hour. Although the four varied widely in their guesstimates as to the actual time that they broke for lunch, all four men recounted seeing Oswald on the fifth floor on their way down in the freight elevators, some recalling that Oswald had shouted to them to send one of the elevators back up. This was the last undisputed sighting of Oswald prior to the assassination. The estimated time of this event differed among the work crew from close to 11:30 to close to 12:00, but all agreed that it was before noon. Junior Jarman recalled that the four man crew arrived on the first floor for lunch at 11:45 

Notice that there is no mention of Oswald working beyond the time that they broke for lunch, which is just a bloodied lie from Bloodied Pete. Why the Hell would Oswald keep working when the lunch whistle blew? Because he was so hardworking and devoted to the company? You stupid, bloodied bastard.  

Givens was only one of four witnesses who stated that they saw Oswald on the first floor during lunchtime. William Shelley, the supervisor of the floor laying crew testified "I do remember seeing him when I came down to eat lunch about 10 to 12." 

So, we even have Bill Shelley seeing Oswald on the first floor at 11:50. That's Lee Harvey Oswald on the first floor at 11:50 according to Bill Shelley. 

Now, how much time are we going to allow before Oswald proceeds into the lunch room? What else does he have to do? He had no phone call to make. He had nobody he had to see about anything. He had nothing else he had to do. And it was time for lunch.

Remember: Marina did not get up that morning when he left. And it wasn't his house, so he could hardly raid the fridge at Mrs. Paine's house. And she never said anything about fixing him a ranch breakfast. So, don't you think Oswald was ready to eat? 

So, how long after 11:50 are you going to put off Oswald proceeding to the Domino room to eat his lunch? And on what grounds? 

But, even more important than when he got there to start eating is when he left there. Vincent Bugliosi, in Reclaiming History, stated that Oswald left the Domino room at 12:15- at the latest. He was adamant about it.

I think it could have been a little later than that, but  not much. There are no grounds- no rational grounds- to assume otherwise. 

And what did Oswald do after that? He went to the doorway. Here's Don again:   

Carolyn Arnold who told the FBI on November 26 that she left the building around 12:15 to go out to lunch with some of the other secretaries. Arriving on the sidewalk in front of the building they found a crowd gathering to await the President. The secretaries decided to join the crowd. While awaiting the President’s passage, Arnold recounted that she looked back through the glass door of the building and saw Oswald. This would have been around five or ten minutes before the assassination. 

And here's what Don very astutely said about Carolyn Arnold changing her story in 1978:

Psychological studies on eyewitness accounts demonstrate that they become less reliable over time and that witnesses will often revise their accounts to bring them in accord with the accounts of others as if it were their own memories [3]. Hence, the accounts closest to the event before a witness can compare their memories to others that are the most reliable.

Amen, Don. Indeed, we are sticking with Carolyn Arnold's first statement. And, what she saw shortly before the assassination was Oswald standing between the double doors looking out, and it was surely AFTER he ate his lunch. 

Or, maybe bpunk thinks Oswald left half a sandwich on the table and went back for it? That scumbag thinks he's entitled to assume anything he wants.  

So next, Oswald was in the doorway as confirmed by his presence in the Altgens photo and the Wiegman film. And, there is also the evidence of Oswald telling Fritz that he was "out with Bill Shelley in front." 

And remember that Oswald could only have known that Shelley was out there by seeing him there. There was no other way. 

And immediately after the shooting, Oswald proceeded to the second floor lunch room on order of someone and most likely Bill Shelley. Oswald took the front stairs which were next to the doorway.  

Baker first saw Oswald through the window in the door which led to the vestibule. He saw Oswald entering the vestibule from the hallway. Don: 

The authors of the Warren Report and Bugliosi failed to consider that this hallway leads to another set of stairs down to the first floor; and in fact, this route in reverse was the one taken by Oswald when he left the building. If Oswald used this same route to arrive at the lunchroom as Baker's testimony supports, he could have come up from the first floor exactly as he claimed, but could not have come down from the upper floors by the front stairs. 

The front stairs only went to the 2nd floor. So, if those were the stairs he used (and they were) there was NO WAY he could have reached the lunch room from the 6th floor. 

Oswald did not have to encounter Geneva Hine or anyone else in that hallway. I have his walking course marked in red below:

Now, I hope you realize that if Oswald did encounter someone, whether Geneva Hine or anyone else, we were never going to hear about it anyway. Forget about it. They couldn't have Oswald using those front stairs. The official story depended on him running down the back stairs from the 6th floor. So, if Geneva Hine or anyone else tried to say that they saw Oswald doing what he did, they would have been threatened and silenced, just like the people in the doorway were threatened and silenced.

"No. You're wrong. It must have been someone else you saw. You didn't see Oswald. So, don't say it again. If you know what's good for you, don't say it again."

And that's probably understated, very understated, by a wide margin, if you catch my drift. 

And how perfectly fitting that the nasty rotten bpunk decided to join Joseph Backass and Lee Lance Farley in declaring the trek to the tracks a concoction.

Well, to the honest people, here is what Lovelady said about it. See if you think he was capable of concocting this:

   

Mr. BALL - First of all, let's get you to tell us whom you left the steps with.
Mr. LOVELADY - Mr. Shelley.
Mr. BALL - Shelley and you went down how far?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I would say a good 75, between 75 to 100 yards to the first tracks. See how those tracks goes---
Mr. BALL - You went down the dead end on Elm?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - And down to the first tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anything there?
Mr. LOVELADY - No, sir; well, just people running.
Mr. BALL - That's all?
Mr. LOVELADY - And hollerin.
Mr. BALL - How did you happen to go down there?
Mr. LOVELADY - I don't know, because everybody was running from that way and naturally, I guess---
Mr. BALL - They were running from that way or toward that way?
Mr. LOVELADY - Toward that way; everybody thought it was coming from that direction.
Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL - You heard the shots. And how long after that was it before Gloria Calvary came up?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, approximately 3 minutes, I would say.
Mr. BALL - Three minutes is a long time.
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, it's---I say approximately; I can't say because I don't have a watch; it could.
Mr. BALL - Had people started to run?
Mr. LOVELADY - Well, I couldn't say because she came up to us and we was talking to her, wasn't looking that direction at that time, but when we came off the steps--see, that entrance, you have a blind side when you go down the steps.
Mr. BALL - Right after you talked to Gloria, did you leave the steps and go toward the tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you run or walk?
Mr. LOVELADY - Medium trotting or fast walk.
Mr. BALL - A fast walk?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - How did you happen to turn around and see Truly and the policeman go into the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Somebody hollered and I looked.
Mr. BALL - You turned around and looked?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - After you ran to the railroad tracks you came back and went in the back door of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did you go in through the docks, the wide open door or did you go in the ordinary Small door?
Mr. LOVELADY - You know where we park our trucks--that door; we have a little door.
Mr. BALL - That is where you went in, that little door?
Mr. LOVELADY - That's right.
Mr. BALL - That would be the north end of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - That would be the west end, wouldn't it?
Mr. BALL - Is it the one right off Houston Street?
Mr. LOVELADY - No; you are thinking about another dock.
Mr. BALL - I am?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes; we have two.
Mr. BALL - Do you have a dock on the west side and one on the north side of the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - East, and well, it would be east and west but you enter it from the south side.
Mr. BALL - Now, the south side---
Mr. LOVELADY - Elm Street is that little dead-end street.
Mr. BALL - That's south.
Mr. LOVELADY - I drive my truck here (indicating) but we came in from this direction; that would have to be west.
Mr. BALL - You came into the building from the west side?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Where did you go into the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Through that, those raised-up doors.
Mr. BALL - Through the raised-up doors?
Mr. LOVELADY - Through that double door that we in the morning when we get there we raised. There's a fire door and they have two wooden doors between it.
Mr. BALL - You came in through the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.