Jack McBreaty:
I gotta hand it to you Ralph for your tenacity. But everyone knows including yourself that so called "Doorway Man" is in fact Billy Nolan Lovelady. You began this thread about Marina Oswald and now you have changed the topic by being unable to resist posting this long discredited notion. OIC Oswald Innocence campaign should be renamed, "OFFICIALLY IN CRISIS" . The fraud continues.....your a comical guy Ralph !!
For all the viewers out there the following is from the official archived evidence and it conclusively proves that Doorway Man is in fact Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady. But it is also extremely obvious by viewing Altgens 6 that it is Billy Nolan Lovelady. Sorry Ralph and Robert Groden - JFK ABSOLUTE PROOF is an absolute fraud and an insult to the intelligence of rational and reasoned individuals.
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THE EVIDENCE
Sarah Stanton, William Shelley, Wesley Frazier, Danny Arce and Billy
Lovelady himself, all testified and/or signed an affidavit stating that
Billy Lovelady was standing outside the Texas School Book Depository
doorway/steps as the Presidential Motorcade passed.
Harold Norman and James Jarman Junior, both testified that they saw Billy
Lovelady in the doorway minutes before the Presidential Motorcade passed.
Wesley Frazier, Danny Arce, and Mrs. Donald Baker all identified Billy
Lovelady as the "Oswald" look-alike in the photograph.
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Sarah Stanton - FBI Report 03/18/1964.
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Page 44 of 55.
" When President John F. Kennedy was shot I was standing on the front step
of the Texas School Book Depository Building with Mr. William Shelly, 126
South Tatum, Dallas, Mr. Otis Williams, 3429 Southwestern, Dallas, Mrs. R.
E Sanders, 4226 Delmar, Dallas, and BILLY LOVELADY, 7722 Hume Drive,
Dallas. All of the above are employed at the Texas School Book Depository
Building. I heard three shots after the President's car passed the front
of the Building but I could not see the President's car at that time. I
cannot say positively where the shots came from. I did not see LEE HARVEY
OSWALD at that time or at any time during that day."
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William Shelley - FBI Report 03/18/1964.
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" On November 22, 1963, I left my office in the Texas School Book
Depository and walked just outside the front entrance of the building to
watch the Presidential Motorcade pass. This was about 12:15 PM. I recall
that as the Presidential Motorcade passed I was standing just outside the
glass doors of the entrance. At the time President John F. Kennedy was
shot I was standing at this same place. BILLY N. LOVELADY who works under
my supervision or the Texas School Book Depository was seated** on the
entrance steps just in front of me. I recall that Wesley Frazier, Mrs.
Sarah Stanton and Mrs. Carolyn Arnold, all employees of the Texas School
Book Depository, were also standing in this entrance way near me at the
time Pres. Kennedy was shot. I did not see LEE HARVEY OSWALD at the time
Pres. Kennedy was shot."
**Note in reference to seated. In his Warren Commission Testimony
Billy Lovelady testified that he went outside and sat on the steps while
eating his lunch.
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Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the
domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was
there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing
outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well,
I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there,
set on the steps, so I went out there. Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on
the steps? Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
So this is why William Shelley states that Billy Lovelady was seated.
This is what William Shelley recalled. But of course Billy Lovelady
later stood up and was standing in the doorway of the Texas School
Book Depository when the Presidential Motorcade passed.
Warren Commission Testimony Of William H. Shelley.
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Mr. BALL - Why did you go to the front?
Mr. SHELLEY - Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch
the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL - And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton,
she's with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and BILLY LOVELADY joined
us shortly afterwards.
Mr. BALL - You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY - Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL - That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY - yes.
Mr. BALL - Did you see the motorcade pass?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
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Wesley Frazier - FBI Report 03/18/1964
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Page 16 of 55.
" At the time the President was shot I was standing on the front steps of
the Texas School Book Depository Building. I was with William H. Shelley,
126 South Tatum, Dallas, and BILLY LOVELADY, 7722 Hume Drive, Dallas, when
the President was shot."
" I did not see LEE HARVEY OSWALD at the time President Kennedy was Shot"
Warren Commission Testimony Of Buell Wesley Frazier.
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Mr. BALL - You went out there after you quit work?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, for lunch.
Mr. BALL - About 12 o'clock?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - And you hadn't eaten your lunch up to that time?
Mr. FRAZIER - No.
Mr. BALL - Did you go out there with somebody?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - Who did you go out there with?
Mr. FRAZIER - I stayed around there pretty close to Mr. Shelley and this boy
BILLY LOVELADY and just standing there, people talking and just talking
about how pretty a day it turned out to be, because I told you earlier it
was an old cloudy and misty day and then it didn't look like it was going
to be a pretty day at all.
Mr. BALL - And it turned out to be a good day?
Mr. FRAZIER - Pretty sunshiny day.
Mr. BALL - Warm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was pretty warm.
Mr. BALL - Then let's see, there was BILLY LOVELADY and you were there.
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - Anybody else you can remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - There was a lady there, a heavy-set lady who worked upstairs
there whose name is Sarah something, I don't know her last name.
Mr. BALL - Were you near the steps?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I was, I was standing about, I believe, one step
down from the top there.
Clay Shaw Trial Testimony Of Buell Wesley Frazier.
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BY MR. ALCOCK:
Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential
motorcade came by?
A: Yes, sir, I can.
Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were
standing?
A: (The witness complies.)
Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential
motorcade?
A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the top of the stairs I
was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her
name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there
beside me when we watched the motorcade.
Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?
A: Right down in front of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill
Shelley
and BILLY LOVELADY were standing there.
ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (PART 2) (BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER).
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Go to 9 minutes in this YouTube Video.
Buell Wesley Frazier positively identifies BILLY NOLAN LOVELADY.
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Warren Commission Testimony Of Danny Garcia Arce.
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Mr. BALL. Just 1 minute, I want to show you a picture. I show you Commission
Exhibit No. 369. I show you this picture. See this man in this picture?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. Recognize him?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, that's BILLY LOVELADY.
Mr. BALL. Just to identify it clearly, the man on the steps---well, you see
the man on the steps, do you not?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He is a white man, isn't he?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you see his picture just above the picture of two colored
people,
is that correct; would you describe it like that?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. I am not going to mark this purposely because other witnesses
have
to see it.
Mr. ARCE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you say that is BILLY LOVELADY?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL. Now, there is only one face that is clearly shown within the
entrance-way
of the Texas School Book Depository Building, isn't there?
Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And only one face of a person who is standing on the steps of the
Depository Building entrance?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. And that one man you see there---
Mr. ARCE. Yes, that's BILLY LOVELADY.
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Billy Nolan Lovelady - FBI Report 03/19/1964.
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Page 31 of 55
"At the time the Presidential Motorcade passed the building heading west
on Elm Street, I was standing on the top step to the far right against the
wall of the entranceway to the Texas School Book Depository building. At
this time I recall that William H. Shelley, who resides at 128 South
Tatum, Dallas, and Mrs. Sarah Stanton, also of Dallas, Texas, both of whom
are likewise employed by the Texas School Book Depository, were standing
next to me."
Warren Commission Testimony Of BILLY NOLAN LOVELADY.
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Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the
domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody
was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was
standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I
said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch
out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Mr. BALL - What is the first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton.
Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.
Mr. BALL - What did you hear?
Mr. LOVELADY - I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating
the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had
happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President
had been shot.
Mr. BALL - Who was this girl?
Mr. LOVELADY - Gloria Calvary.
Mr. BALL - Gloria Calvary?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where does she work?
Mr. LOVELADY - Southwestern Publishing Co.
Mr. BALL - Where was the direction of the sound?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right there around that concrete little deal on that knoll.
Mr. BALL - That's where it sounded to you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; to my right. I was standing as you are going down
the steps, I was standing on the right, sounded like it was in that area.
Mr. BALL - From the underpass area?
Mr. LOVELADY - Between the underpass and the building right on that knoll.
Mr. BALL - I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you on
that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY - Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL - No; you in the picture.
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an
arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you. Where were
you when the picture was taken?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right there at the entrance of the building standing
on the the step, would be here (indicating).
Mr. BALL - You were standing on which step?
Mr. LOVELADY - It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL - The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
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Warren Commission Testimony Of Harold Norman.
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Mr. BALL. You went out the front door, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That is the Elm Street?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand?
Mr. NORMAN. We stood on the Elm Street sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. On the sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. We didn't go any further than that point.
Mr. BALL. What time was it that you went out there?
Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say, I don't know exactly, around
12 or 12:10, something like that.
Mr. BALL. Who was standing with you when you were standing
on the sidewalk, on the Elm Street sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember it was Danny Arce.
Mr. BALL. And who else?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember seeing Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell.
They were standing somewhere behind us, not exactly behind us
but they were back of us.
Mr. BALL. Anybody else?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I believe BILLY LOVELADY , I think.
HE WAS SITTING ON THE STEPS THERE.
Mr. BALL. HE WAS?
Mr. NORMAN. YES. That is about all the employees I remember
seeing out there. There were more people out there.
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Warren Commission Testimony Of JAMES JARMAN, JR.
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Mr. BALL - When you finished your sandwich and your bottle
of pop, what did you do?
Mr. JARMAN - I throwed the paper that I had the sandwich in
in the box over close to the telephone and I took the pop bottle
and put it in the case over by the Dr. Pepper machine.
Mr. BALL - And then what did you do?
Mr. JARMAN - Then I went out in front of the building.
Mr. BALL - With who?
Mr. JARMAN - Harold Norman, Bonnie Ray, and Danny Arce
and myself.
Mr. BALL - You say Bonnie Ray Williams?
Mr. JARMAN - Bonnie Ray Williams.
Mr. BALL - Do you remember him going with you?
Mr. JARMAN - No; I am sorry. Excuse me, but it was
Harold Norman and myself and Daniel Arce.
Mr. BALL - What about Billy Lovelady?
Mr. JARMAN - I didn't go out with them. They came out later.
Mr. BALL - Did you see BILLY LOVELADY out there?
Mr. JARMAN - YES, SIR.
Mr. BALL - Where was he?
Mr. JARMAN - STANDING ON THE STAIRWAY AS YOU GO OUT THE FRONT DOOR.
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Warren Commission Testimony Of MRS. DONALD BAKER.
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Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Oswald on the morning of November
22 at any time?
Mrs. BAKER. No, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know BILLY LOVELADY?
Mrs. BAKER. YES, SIR.
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you Commission Exhibit No. 203,
and I call your attention to a man standing in the doorway
of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize him?
Mrs. BAKER. That looks like BILLY.
Mr. LIEBELER. That looks like BILLY LOVELADY?
Mrs. BAKER. YES.
Mr. LIEBELER. And that man you pointed to is immediately as we
face the picture to the right of the mark "A" in the picture?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And is standing directly against the side of the doorway
of the building---of the Texas School Book Depository Building?
Mrs. BAKER. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Thank you. If you don't have anything else you would like
to tell us about this that you think we should know and that I haven't asked
you, I have no other questions at this point.
Mrs. BAKER. Thank you.
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Here is further proof.
Commission Document 457 - FBI Letter from Director J.Edgar Hoover
to J. Lee Rankin of the Warren Commission of 09 Mar 1964 with attachments
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"On November 25, 1963, Mr. ROY S. TRULY, Warehouse Manager, TSBD,
was exhibited an Associated Press photograph described as "DN 5, 11/22/63,
Dallas, Texas," depicting an individual standing in the entrance of the TSBD
who resembled Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. Truly, after viewing this photograph,
stated, "That picture resembles Oswald, but it's NOT LEE OSWALD, it's BILLY LOVELADY."
"On November 25, 1963, Mr. Billy Nolan Lovelady, 7722 Hume, Dallas,
Texas, was exhibited an Associated Press photograph described as "DN 5,
11/22/63, Dallas, Texas," depicting an individual standing in the entrance of
the TSBD who resembled Lee Harvey Oswald."
"Mr. Lovelady advised that he is an employee at the TSBD and is acquainted
with Oswald. Lovelady immediately identified himself in the above-described
photograph as being the individual who resembled OSWALD and stated he
had observed HIMSELF previously in this photograph in the newspaper and
was saving it. LOVELADY STATED there who was NO QUESTION
WHATSOEVER but that this was a photograph of HIM."
"On January 30, 1964, a copy of the magazine entitled, " Four Dark Days in
History," published by Special Publications, Inc., Los Angeles, California,
was obtained by a Special Agent of the FBI and a photograph on Pages 4
and 5 of the Presidential motorcade passing the TSBD on November 22,
1963, was exhibited to William H. Shelley, Assistant Manager, TSBD, who
readily identified an individual standing just inside the entrance of the
TSBD on the left as TSBD employee BILLY NOLAN LOVELADY."
"Mr. Shelley advised he was actually standing next to Lovelady when this
photograph was taken, but was not in view of the camera. He pointed out
that he had seen the photograph before and there has been much comment
on the fact that in the photograph Billy N. Lovelady resembled Lee Harvey Oswald."
"On February 29, 1964, Billy Nolan Lovelady was photographed by Special
Agents of the FBI at Dallas, Texas. On this occasion, Lovelady advised that
on the day of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, November 22,
1963, at the time of the assassination, and shortly before, he was standing in
the doorway of the front entrance to the TSBD where he is employed.
He stated he was wearing a read and white vertical striped shirt and blue-jeans."
"Lovelady stated his picture has appeared in several publications, which picture
depicts him on the far left side of the front doorway to the TSBD. Lovelady was
exhibited a picture appearing on Pages 4-5 of the magazine entitled, "Four Dark
Days in History," copyright 1963 by Special Publications, Inc., 6627 Hollywood
Boulevard, Los Angeles 28, California. He immediately identified the picture of
the individual on the far left side of the doorway of the TSBD as being his photograph.
He stated this same photograph, or one identical to it, has appeared in the Dallas Times
Herald newspaper of November 23, 1963, and in the Cincinnati Inquirer,of December 3, 1963.
He stated it also appeared in an edition of " The Saturday Evening Post," the date of which
he does not know. Mr. Lovelady stated his close resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald has become
somewhat embarrassing. He stated his stepchildren, Timmy Ekstedt, age 6, and stepdaughter,
Angela Ekstedt, age 4, were watching television shortly after the assassination at a time when
Lee Harvey Oswald was shown while in custody of the Dallas Police Department and both of these
children remarked that they thought their daddy was on television referring to his close resemblance
to Lee Harvey Oswald."
Ralph Cinque:
So, that's the evidence, huh? And you think it trumps what we can see with our own eyes?
You really think Oswald and Lovelady looked and dressed that much alike? The whole idea that they were practically twins is a myth.
Now, regarding the testimonies, they were never going to allow anyone to testify who claimed it was Oswald in the doorway. If, during the pre-screening (and they were all pre-screend) someone had tried to say it was Oswald, they would have been stopped and told,
"No, it wasn't. You're mistaken. Oswald was up on the 6th floor. So, don't you ever say it again, if you know what's good for you."
And people got the message. And if you read Lovelady's testimony which you put up, he was never asked directly who Doorman was. That's what Ball wanted to know, but he didn't have the nerve to ask him, as he did the others. And that must be because Lovelady was NOT prescreened like the others. Or perhaps Ball was warned that Lovelady wasn't cooperating. So, to play it safe, he just had him draw an arrow to himself in the picture- in the black using a black marker. And even after he drew it, Ball did not claim that Lovelady drew it to the same figure as did Frazier. He just said: there's an arrow in the white and one in the black pointing to you. Can't you see how cagey and evasive that was? I believe very strongly that Lovelady drew his arrow to Black Hole Man.
You see Frazier's arrow on the left, right? Well, the only other mark on the photo is the discreet black mark on the forearm of Black Hole Man. That's the tail of the arrow with the head in the black space. I suspect that Ball or someone else smeared it out- if it was visible.
Now, if you want to dispute that, fine, but find me Lovelady's arrow. Again: the big arrow on the left is Frazier's. And he drew his first. So, they gave Lovelady a photo which already had an arrow pointing to the figure that they wanted him to draw it too, but I guess he couldn't take a hint.
It's only been 52 years, so find me Lovelady's arrow if that's not it.
But ultimately, the images rule, and it's plain as day and screaming out loud that Oswald was Doorman. This much likeness- in the man and the clothing- between two men is simply not possible.
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