People should not be defending Kellerman, not here. I want you to think about how easily he could have aided in that situation. He might have saved Kennedy's life.

For instance, all he had to do was order the driver to floor it to get them out of there. He had to know that the shooters weren't firing from a moving car. That's because they were in a motorcade, and everyone in the motorcade was vetted. So, he had to know that the shooters were stationary. That means that if they took flight, they would have very quickly been out of harm's way. The need for that was so pressing that if Kellerman had ordered Greer to step on it, and if Greer didn't respond instantly, Kellerman could have scooted over, grabbed the wheel, pressed his own foot to the gas pedal, and gotten them the Hell out of there.

Another thing Kellerman could have done was scream at the occupants, "Everyone down to the floor! Now!" Kellerman knew that Kennedy was under attack. He claimed to hear Kennedy yell, "My God, I've been hit." That never happened, but even so, Kellerman knew that an attack was underway.

And third, Kellerman could have climbed back there himself to help and protect Kennedy himself with his massive body. But no, he did nothing, and there is no excuse.

This is 2026; practically 2027. But, I tell you that in 1964, when he was questioned by the Warren Commission, they should have stung him with the same complaints that I am throwing at him now.

There is no defending Kellerman. He is inexcusable and indefensible. And remember who he was: the highest ranking SS agent on the Dallas trip and third in command in the White House detail.

And the very fact that the Warren Commission didn't treat him with suspicion tells you a lot about them.

And what about the HSCA? They did not order Kellerman to testify at all, so he didn't. But they did file an "Outside Contact Report" about Kellerman, and they gave it a number. That means that some staff person went to talk to Kellerman. There's even a date for it: December 1, 1978. But, though the record of it exists, the document itself has never been found. Supposedly, it is in the National Archives- somewhere. But, it's content has never been revealed, and that's despite all the JFK documents supposedly having been released. It's JFK Document No. 013394 — Roy H. Kellerman, Outside Contact Report. Rots o' ruck finding it.

This is Hill, Kellerman, and Greer. Look a the size of that guy. He could have protected Kennedy with his own body.

 By my estimation, the tie knot corresponds to exactly where JFK was hit in the throat. In this photo, I have my index finger on the suprasternal notch. That is the top of the sternum, and right above it is the lowest part of the anterior neck. Perry said that JFK was shot in the midling of the lower third of his anterior neck. And on me, that is exactly where the knot of my tie is. And I wasn't trying for anything. I just put the tie on normally.

So, the situation is that Kellerman asked Kennedy to change his tie right before the motorcade took off. So, that exists as an element in the story. Another element is that minutes later, JFK got shot in the throat in a spot that corresponds to the location of the tie not.

That seems like a coincidence, but I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to the JFK assassination. Something about the second tie must have facilitated the throat shot somehow.

No matter what you think, the fact is that, on me, the tie knot is going over the very spot where JFK had a hole in his throat.

 I am sick and tired of the lies people tell about JFK. One of them is that he told the Secret Service to leave the bubble top off the limo. There isn't a stitch of evidence that that is true.

The only reference to it in the Warren Commission Report was in the testimony of SS Agent Roy Kellerman, the guy who did absolutely nothing when bullets were raining down on the limo. He didn't do so much as tell the driver, "You might want to step on it." And of course, we know that the driver didn't step on it until he saw JFK take the fatal head shot.

I'll be crystal: I believe Roy Kellerman was involved in killing Kennedy. Kellerman was the one who gave JFK the second tie to wear. What reason he gave Kenndy I will never know, and it stresses my brain to even think about it. But, I'm sure that, in reality, it had some connection to the upcoming throat shot.

Kellerman testified that it was JFK's Appointment Secretary, Ken O'Donnell who insisted that the bubble top be left off the limo. Not Kennedy, but O'Donnell. BUT, O'DONNELL NEVER SAID IT, NOT TO THE WARREN COMMISSION, AND NOT OVER THE YEARS TO ANYBODY.

Remember that it was that lying sack of blank Kellerman who said that JFK yelled "My God, I've been hit!" But, Jackie defied him. She said that her husband never spoke once the shooting began. And even Mrs. Connally said that the last thing the President said was in response to her, when she said, "You can't say that the people of Dallas didn't turn out for you." And he said, "I certainly can't."

Those were the last words out of his mouth, and it is widely accepted today that they were his last words. So, nobody believes Kellerman- not even LNs. Therefore, why should anyone believe his unconfirmed statement about O'Donnell?

However, the HSCA claimed that JFK gave the order to leave off the bubble top, and they attributed it to John Connally. But, there is no statement to that effect by Connally either; not in his WC testimony nor in his HSCA testimony. And when Congressman Edgar asked Connally if he knew who decided to leave off the bubble top, Connally's response was "No, Sir."

So, don't accept the incessant lies that have been circulated about this over the decades. The fact is that JFK was super-compliant with his Secret Service. He never, ever argued with them about safety matters. He abided by every precuation they recommended.

And just consider that, from out of the blue, effin' Kellerman brought him a different tie to wear, and asked him to change ties in the limo, and JFK just did it without questioning him. Do you think he wanted to change his tie? Hell no! But, in all such matters, he just did whatever the Secret Service told him.

This is JFK at Love Field shortly before he boarded the limo. Standing deep to him is Roy Kellerman. JFK is wearing his original tie, and there was nothing wrong with it. I'll be honest with you: if it had been me, and Kellerman came up to me and said he wanted me to change ties, I would have said:

"You're not my valet, and even if you were, I have no reason to change my tie. Therefore, I'm not changing it. Now, take your seat."

Ralph Cinque

Thursday, November 12, 2026 at 1:57 PM

Joseph West: Because the Secret Service, at the last second, at the limo, got JFK to change his tie. They were the prime mover; they were the only mover. Why on Earth was the Secret Service involved with his wardrobe? Why did they have a tie for him to put on? It's beyond weird.

Joseph West

Thursday, November 12, 2026 at 7:56 PM

Ralph Cinque: Sir, I'm not understanding this. Please explain.

Ralph Cinque

Thursday, November 12, 2026 at 8:28 PM

Joseph West: Wardrobe management is not part of the scope of the Secret Service. There has never been another time, in the history of the Secret Service, that they have ever pushed for a President to wear a certain article of clothing. If they baked a cake for the President, would that surprise you? Well, them bringing a tie for him to wear is just as weird.

 People need to stop saying that JFK changed his tie on the plane or at his hotel in Ft. Worth becuase that did not happen. He changed his tie at the limousine right before the motorcade took off, and that is in the annals of the White Hous Historical Association.

And that account includes the fact that he folded the original tie and put it in his inside jacket pocket. Now, why would he do that if he was on the plane at the time? Surely, he would have left it on the plane where he had a whole big wardrobe compartment. Why would he take along a soiled tie on himself? For what purpose?

Furthermore, the tie wasn't soiled. We have images of him on the tarmac before he got to the limousine, in which you can see that his tie looked fine. The changing of the tie was entirely a Secret Service thing, told to him by Roy Kellerman. I don't know what reason Kellerman gave him for changing his tie. But, JFK didn't argue with his Secret Service. He did whatever they told him do to.

But, just remember that JFK put the first tie in his pocket, and that tells you that it happened just when I'm telling you: at the limousine right before the motorcade took off, just as the WHHA chronicled.

Now, look at this tie. It is blue and grey with a grid-like pattern. The Ft. Worth tie was described as blue and grey with a grid-like pattern. That tie did not need changing.

 I did a test on Oswald Innocence allowing comments briefly to see what would come in. And what came in was the same mindless blather as before.

My critics are idiots. They don't know how to think. Consider what we know as facts:

1) The Secret Service changed JFK's tie, and they did it with foresight. They, themselves, had a replacement tie for him, in the limo., sitting on the front seat for Kellerman to grab. How weird is it for the Secret Service to be sartorial advisor to the President?

2 ) The fact that the Secret Service changed JFK's tie was earnestly, doggedly, and systematically covered up in the hope that it would be expunged from the official story forever. What screwed it for them was Jackie Kennedy having witnessed the tie-change, and having seen her husband put the first tie in his jacket pocket, and having sought it to give it to their Doorman, Preston Bruce. That's what turned it into a human interest story.

So yes, there is an unanswered question about why the Secret Service did it, why they sought to and did replace JFK's tie. But, that dilemma isn't sitting on my shoulders. It's not up to me to explain why they did it.

It stands as an extremely irregular action by the Secret Service, and one they tried to cover up. If there was an innocent reason why they did it, why didn't they just tell the reason, rather than try so hard to cover it up?

There is still a Secret Service today, currently lead by Sean Curran. So, he should address why his forebearers changed JFK's tie 63 years ago right before this happened:

Again: you can't say it was because of a soiling or stain because there is no evidence of that, and it would have been dealt with differently if it were just that. His tie would have been replaced on the plane, or even prior to that. So, don't try to say it.

 Now I have an image of Kellerman with the tie, where you can see the tie in his hands. It's from another rendering of the Love Field footage that I found that's a little clearer.

So, on the left, it shows Kellerman reaching into the front seat for the tie. And on the right, he is looking down at the tie and stretching it between his two hands. THAT OBJECT IN HIS HANDS IS THE TIE. You see his two hands. You see there is a linear object between his two hands. It is the tie.

Nobody has ever found this or shown it before, and it is just 11 days from the 63rd anniversary of JFK's killing. WHAT POSSIBLE REASON DID KELLERMAN HAVE TO WANT JFK TO CHANGE HIS TIE? Let's face it: the ONLY reason that you can think of, in your wildest imagination, is a sanitary problem. It could not have been its style, pattern, or color. And there's nothing you can think of relating to safety.

Why is it that in the few references to JFK changing his tie shortly before the motorcade left, not one of them says a word about why a tie change was necessary or indicated?

And I categorically reject as nonsense the notion that it was a stain on the tie. It's not as though he could have gotten a stain on the tie between deboarding the plane and boarding the limo. If he had spilled coffee on his tie at the breakfast in Ft. Worth, surely it would have been noticed before he left the plane, and I'm sure he had plenty of spare ties there. Why should the correction of a sanitary problem wait until he's at the limo?

I don't know what Kellerman told Kennedy about why he needed to change his tie, but I do know that Kennedy was extremely submissive to his Secret Service agents. He didn't question anything they told him to do.

No innocent reason for the tie change is even conceivable. It must have been related to the coming throat shot and the fear that the tie knot, being so close to the target area, which was the bottom of his throat, would interfere with the passage of the flechette.