 |
- show quoted text -
Statement #1: "Why does Oswald's statement not count? Are you out of your
mind? Of course it counts."
Statement #2: "Why point to what Oswald said to a reporter in the hall?"
So, here you go again, contradicting yourself. You only believe that
Oswald statements that support his innocence count, and any statements he
made that point to his guilt don't count.
Why point to what Oswald said to a reporter in the hall? Um, because what
he said (on camera) to the reporter when asked if he was inside the
building at the time of shooting counts a hell of a lot more than some
note Will Fritz wrote on a piece of paper in which we don't know what the
context of statement was actually referring to. It's pure guesswork on
your part that the note "Outside with Bill Shelley" was in response to
Oswald being asked where he was during the shooting. Oswald could have
very well made that statement in regards to his claim that he spoke with
Shelley after the shooting and that was why he left work.
Oswald stated on camera that he was inside the TSBD at the time of the
shooting. He also stated during interrogations that he was in the 2nd
floor lunchroom when the shooting occurred, then on Sunday morning he
stated he was in the first floor Domino Room when the shooting occurred,
and then went up to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a coke. He couldn't
even keep his own story straight.
Here's the bottom line. Investigators testified under oath that Oswald
told them that he was inside the building at the time of the shooting.
Oswald himself stated on camera that he was inside the building at the
time of the shooting. Not a single person that worked inside the TSBD that
were standing on the steps during the assassination saw Oswald out on the
steps with them. In fact, they all said he wasn't there. All of them also
stated that Billy Lovelady was on the steps during the shooting, and
photographs and film footage prove that Lovelady was on the steps. There
are no photographs of Oswald on the steps of the TSBD. Altgen 6 was
determined by experts to capture the face of Lovelady, not Oswald. And why
wouldn't it? Oswald himself, when given the opportunity in front of the
world press to make the claim that he was on the steps during the shooting
chose instead to state he was in fact inside the building. And for the
record, not a single witness who was out on, or at the top of the steps,
said that they were inside the building. They all said they were outside.
So, please don't insult us with your silly "opinion" that the top of the
steps is really inside the building. You've already insulted us enough
with your ludicrous theories.
|
- show quoted text -
you are wrong. According to all of the reports filed by the police, the
FBI and the Secret service, at no time did Oswald ever claim to be out
front with Shelley watching the motorcade. Secret Service Inspector Kelley
asked him specifically if he had viewed the parade and Oswald said he had
not. Oswald told the police that he was eating lunch inside the building
during the time of the motorcade passing the TSBD.
You have tried to rearrange notes by Fritz to back up your claim that
Oswald told the police that he was outside with Shelley during the
motorcade, but you have failed in your attempt. And everyone knows it.
Oswald's actual statement to a reporter when asked if he was in the
building at that time was "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes
sir."
Your claim is not true.
Ralph Cinque:
You sophists are never going to win. First: the Fritz Notes. Oswald said that he was out with Bill Shelley in front. But, Shelley was only out there DURING the motorcade, and he left immediately afterwards. He definitely and absolutely was not out front when Oswald left for home, and that's according to his own testimony (Shelley's). So, why would Oswald say that he was out front with Shelley when he left for home? Since Shelley wasn't there, Oswald definitely did not see him at that time, and he would have known that Shelley would not confirm it. One only uses a person as his alibi if he has the understanding and expectation that that person will confirm it. In contrast, in reference to during the motorcade (which is the only thing that mattered to police: after all; why should they care who Osawld saw when he left the building? What difference did it make? Why was that even pertinent?) Oswald's citing of Shelley being in the doorway was accurate. How would Oswald even know that unless he was there?
Let's restate it: It didn't matter who Oswald saw when he left the building because no crime was being committed at that time, and there is no doubt that he left the building. It's not as though he had to prove that he left the building. So, who he saw at that time is completely irrelevant and unimportant. What matters is where he was during the shooting. And undoubtedly, Oswald said "out with Bill Shelley in front" because he expected Shelley to confirm it. Of course, Shelley didn't; Shelley denied it. But, Shelley was a bad guy. Shelley was a conspirator. He was a plotter. And his specific job was to frame Oswald. The whole TSBD was nothing but a TSBD front company doing espionage and other nefarious things under the guise of school book distribution. You think Shelley gave a chit about distributing school books to first graders? You think that's what he was there 16 years for? You are very naive if you think that. Shelley was CIA. So, you need to learn that you can't throw up guilty people like Bill Shelley at me to convict Oswald when it's very clear that Shelley was out to get Oswald and was part of the whole evil plot to frame him and then kill him.
But, the point is that: Oswald knew that Shelley was out front WHEN HE WAS OUT FRONT. How askew is it to know that Shelley was there, and Oswald cited him, having no way to know that he was there except for seeing him there, but yet assume that he was talking about another time in which Shelley was NOT THERE? I'll say it again:
Oswald knew that Shelley was out front WHEN HE WAS OUT FRONT. How askew is it to know that Shelley was there, and Oswald cited him, having no way to know that he was there except for seeing him there, but yet assume that he was talking about another time in which Shelley was NOT THERE?
And regarding my statement about what Oswald said to the reporter, it would be one thing if the reporter was the only one Oswald talked to about it. But, Oswald talked to the police about it. Are we not entitled to presume that Fritz asked Oswald where he was at the time of the crime? Isn't it automatic that police ask suspects for their alibi? And that's when Fritz wrote down "out with Bill Shelley in front".
It would be different if Shelley wasn't out there during the motorcade. But, Shelley was out there. And Oswald knew it. Information that he could only have gotten from being there.
Regarding what Fritz told the Warren Commission, at that point it was all about convicting Oswald, and with him being dead, anything went.
So, Fritz said that Oswald told him that he was eating with other employees at the time "this happened." He couldn't even articulate the lie and say that Oswald said he was eating during the shooting. But, how stupid was it to say that Oswald said he was eating with other employees? That would have meant that he used those other employees as his alibi. It would have meant that multiple persons besides Oswald, even though they got off work at 11:45 and had 45 minutes to eat lunch, chose instead to do something else for those 45 minutes (God knows what) and then sit down and eat at 12:30, thereby missing the historic event. Who would do that? And who upon hearing it would not want to know who those other employees were and pursue questioning them about it? But amazingly, Fritz didn't say who they were, and Ball didn't ask. The filth of that is unspeakable.
Fact: Oswald NEVER said that he was eating during the motorcade.
Fact: Oswald NEVER said he was drinking during the motorcade.
Fact: Oswald never used the whole first floor as his alibi, as Bookhout and Hosty maintained in their report.
Fact: Oswald never said he was in the 1st floor lunch room at 12:30. He said that he was there when Jarman and Norman were milling around, which was much earlier; it was early in the lunch break.
Fact: Oswald never said that he spent the time of the motorcade in the 2nd floor lunch room. He just arrived at the 2nd floor lunch room when Officer Marrion Baker saw him. So, since he was just arriving then, how could he have been there a minute and half before? Do you want to speculate that he was there and then he left and came back? Well, don't bother. That is NOT allowed. It is totally unwarranted.
Why would I, who accuse the FBI of being involved in killing Kennedy, and both the FBI and the Dallas Police in having killed Oswald, give credibility to what authorities said? Don't you get it? The AUTHORITIES killed Kennedy. The AUTHORITIES killed Oswald. SO, how dare you cite them to me? TO ME?????????? How dare you?
Oswald correctly named someone who was in the doorway, and the time that that person was there was during the motorcade. It is lunatic to think that Oswald was talking about another time when the person wasn't there.
And it is not true that no one saw Oswald at the doorway. Carolyn Arnold saw him there, shortly before the shooting, although he was on the inside of the glass looking out. But hey, that is close enough for comfort. And that initial, spontaneous statement of hers is the only one that counts. Capisce? Again: I don't make the rules, but I God-damn well enforce them.
How ironic it is that one of Oswald's investigators who testified against him "under oath" was actually the one who shot at him in the garage. That's about as ironic as irony gets.
This is a case in which the investigators, including Fritz, Bookhout, and others, KILLED Oswald. And I am supposed to honor what these killers claimed their victim said?
The Altgens photo proves that Oswald was in the doorway at the time of the shots. And again: outside corrupt, sordid JFK-land, it sells. It impresses. It wins. So, to both of you, I say flap away. Flap, flap, flap, flap. But, your flapping can't stop what's coming. I guarantee it.
No comments:
Post a Comment
Note: Only a member of this blog may post a comment.