Backass, I was talking about the grey pants. Mary Bledsoe did not see any grey pants on Oswald on tv or in newspapers. So, unless they told her: "Say that Oswald was wearing grey pants" she could not have known.
And, you don't get to presume that Oswald changed his shirt. When first asked by Fritz, Oswald said he only changed his "britches". There was no mention of any shirt. When he was again asked about it the next day, he did include the shirt. But, his first answer was his spontaneous answer and more likely truthful.
But, we have more than this. We have the testimony of Marrion Baker who said that Oswald was wearing a "light brown jacket" in the lunch room. Many people described Oswald's arrest shirt as a jacket because it had the lay of a jacket. It was lightweight like a shirt, but it folded over into a jacket-like lapel. And, Baker described a white shirt underneath the jacket, but that was surely just his white t-shirt. And surely, Oswald did not change his clothes between the doorway and the lunch room. And in the doorway, we can see an excellent match between Oswald's arrest shirt and the shirt he wore while watching the motorcade.
So, I'll lay this out for you short and sweet: either Oswald did NOT change his shirt OR he changed into one that was exactly like the one he was wearing. Why would he do that?
In fact, why even did he change his pants? What was wrong with the grey ones? Were they soiled? Of course, we can only speculate about it. But, what it may have been is that the black pants he put on were better for containing the pistol or keeping it hidden.
And why would he change into his arrest shirt? Most of the buttons were missing, and it was extremely worn and threadbare, with holes in the elbows. I could see changing out of it but not changing into it.
Note that the Warren Commission said he did not change his shirt. I realize that they wanted to claim to find fibers from the shirt on the rifle, but if you read that testimony, it is weak. The expert was very cautious about it, saying that fibers were consistent with Oswald's shirt, but plenty of other shirts as well, which he couldn't rule out. Of course, Oswald denied owning the rifle, which means that he never handled it, and if fibers from his shirt were on the rifle, they must have been planted there.
But, getting back to Mary Bledsoe, you only have to read her testimony to realize that she was the last person in the world they would have recruited to tell a phony story and make it sound convincing. She was ditzy. She may have had early Alzheimer's disease. And she died only a few years later.
You've got it all wrong, Backes. The very fact that they were willing to put Mary Bledsoe on meant that they were willing to let her say whatever she wanted, and never would they have trusted her to keep straight a contrived tale that they told her. They could never count on her to get it right or even be discreet about it. You're talking about bringing her, Mary Bledsoe, into the JFK conspiracy as a full-blown participant. Fat chance.
Oh, and by the way, for the longest time, Joseph Backes said that Mary Bledsoe didn't even exist, that they made her up. I kid you not. Idiot.
Tuesday, July 1, 2014
Mary Bledsoe, batty as she was, was an important witness. She claimed that Oswald was wearing a light brown shirt with buttons missing and with holes in the elbow, particularly the right elbow, which was true of Oswald's arrest shirt. AND, she also claimed that he wore grey trousers.
You know who else said Oswald wore grey trousers to work? Oswald.
So, how did Mary Bledsoe know that? There were no images published of Oswald in his grey slacks. How could there be? He changed out of them before the cameras started flashing. All except the Altgens photo in which we only see his shirt and his t-shirt and not his pants.
So, how did Mary Bledsoe know that Oswald wore grey pants to work unless she saw him wearing them on the bus? Do you think they told her? That they coached her? Practiced her in saying it? Well, if she was that kind of witness, don't you think they would have gotten someone who was more astute and less ditzy than that batty old woman?
Who made the decision to go with Mary Bledsoe for the fraud? And do you really think that in the hours after the assassination that they embarked on this elaborate fraud, that they had nothing else to do? They had Oswald admitting that he rode the bus. And, they had Oswald admitting that it was his transfer ticket. So, why wasn't that good enough? Who was going to dispute it? Why the hell would they feel the need to come up with phony witnesses to go with what they already had? Why was it worth it to them to go down that dangerous road? Why was it worth it to them to take all the risk involved with it? They had Oswald admitting that he rode the bus and got a transfer ticket. So, why make anything up?
You know who else said Oswald wore grey trousers to work? Oswald.
So, how did Mary Bledsoe know that? There were no images published of Oswald in his grey slacks. How could there be? He changed out of them before the cameras started flashing. All except the Altgens photo in which we only see his shirt and his t-shirt and not his pants.
So, how did Mary Bledsoe know that Oswald wore grey pants to work unless she saw him wearing them on the bus? Do you think they told her? That they coached her? Practiced her in saying it? Well, if she was that kind of witness, don't you think they would have gotten someone who was more astute and less ditzy than that batty old woman?
Who made the decision to go with Mary Bledsoe for the fraud? And do you really think that in the hours after the assassination that they embarked on this elaborate fraud, that they had nothing else to do? They had Oswald admitting that he rode the bus. And, they had Oswald admitting that it was his transfer ticket. So, why wasn't that good enough? Who was going to dispute it? Why the hell would they feel the need to come up with phony witnesses to go with what they already had? Why was it worth it to them to go down that dangerous road? Why was it worth it to them to take all the risk involved with it? They had Oswald admitting that he rode the bus and got a transfer ticket. So, why make anything up?
The original transfer was examined by National Archives Specialist Steve Hamilton at my (John Armstrong's) request. On October 6, 1998 Mr. Hamilton wrote that the original bus transfer "does appear to have creases in it consistent with folding". When questioned by Dallas Police Captain Fritz, Oswald admitted this transfer was given to him by the bus driver when he left the bus after being stalled in traffic (CE 2003 pg 37B).
You see that, Backes? Oswald admitted to both riding the bus and getting the transfer ticket.
You see that, Backes? Oswald admitted to both riding the bus and getting the transfer ticket.
Backass thinks the Sims document about finding the bus transfer ticket is fake. Fake, fake, fake. That's fake, but there is nothing fake about the Altgens photo. That's fake, but nothing in the footage of Oswald at the DPD was faked. That's fake, but there was no tampering with the Zapruder film, the Towner film, the Hughes film, the Martin film, the Wiegman film or any other film. Every JFK-related image is lily-white and pure, according to Backes. It never even occurred to them to alter any images, says he.
The fact is that the JFK assassination was NOT a Dallas plot. It was not a plot of the Dallas Police Department. The DPD felt a lot of pressure from the FBI, the Secret Service, the office of the Vice President, and other feds to hone in on Oswald and rapidly arrive at his exclusive involvement. But, it all came down AFTER the assassination, not before. Kennedy wasn't shot until 12:30. He wasn't declared dead until shortly after 1:00. Oswald wasn't apprehended until 1:45, and he didn't reach City Hall until 2:00. You can't tell me that during all that, the Dallas Police were engaged in assembling a phony story about how he moved around. And you can't tell me that the feds instructed the Dallas Police to erect the phony story. They weren't going to do that. They were never going to do that.
You have to understand: from the moment Kennedy got shot, the official story became THE story. The only story. It wasn't the contrived story, the invented story, or the fictitious story. It was the one and only story. And they NEVER talked about it in ANY other way. And they certainly would NEVER have urged the Dallas Police to concoct a phony story with phony evidence and phony witnesses. That's because it wasn't necessary because: OSWALD WAS GUILTY. He really did it. And you don't have to frame a guilty man.
So, the feds would never have pressured the the Dallas Police to do any such thing, and the Dallas Police would never have conceived of it themselves. The whole thing was conducted above board. It had the veneer of being proper and legit.
The fact is: they couldn't concoct a big, complex story about what Oswald did, with phony evidence and phony witnesses, without talking frankly about what they were doing. And I assure you that there was no such talking going on. I bet you that even the organizers of the assassination- at the highest level- didn't talk about it again in real terms after it happened. You think they were going to have low-level minions at the Dallas PD out and about creating phony witnesses and phony evidence and talking about it? And that was supposed to keep the planners secure? Recruiting people into the conspiracy like Cecil McWatters and William Whaley and a batty old woman like Mary Bledsoe was going to keep the plotters safe? Wake up, dreamer! What have you got supporting this crazy idea other than your stupid imagination? Nothing.
Claiming that the Dallas Police faked Oswald's bus and cab ride has been a terrible mistake of the JFK research community. Most of them do it in connection with the Roger Craig story, but Backes doesn't even bother with that. He doesn't need it. He does it on the basis of nothing. He just wants to believe it, and so he does. But, he's got nothing but piddling minutia. Hey! Oswald was in the doorway, and then he rode the bus and cab! And that is the plain truth. STOP INDULGING IN FANTASY!
The fact is that the JFK assassination was NOT a Dallas plot. It was not a plot of the Dallas Police Department. The DPD felt a lot of pressure from the FBI, the Secret Service, the office of the Vice President, and other feds to hone in on Oswald and rapidly arrive at his exclusive involvement. But, it all came down AFTER the assassination, not before. Kennedy wasn't shot until 12:30. He wasn't declared dead until shortly after 1:00. Oswald wasn't apprehended until 1:45, and he didn't reach City Hall until 2:00. You can't tell me that during all that, the Dallas Police were engaged in assembling a phony story about how he moved around. And you can't tell me that the feds instructed the Dallas Police to erect the phony story. They weren't going to do that. They were never going to do that.
You have to understand: from the moment Kennedy got shot, the official story became THE story. The only story. It wasn't the contrived story, the invented story, or the fictitious story. It was the one and only story. And they NEVER talked about it in ANY other way. And they certainly would NEVER have urged the Dallas Police to concoct a phony story with phony evidence and phony witnesses. That's because it wasn't necessary because: OSWALD WAS GUILTY. He really did it. And you don't have to frame a guilty man.
So, the feds would never have pressured the the Dallas Police to do any such thing, and the Dallas Police would never have conceived of it themselves. The whole thing was conducted above board. It had the veneer of being proper and legit.
The fact is: they couldn't concoct a big, complex story about what Oswald did, with phony evidence and phony witnesses, without talking frankly about what they were doing. And I assure you that there was no such talking going on. I bet you that even the organizers of the assassination- at the highest level- didn't talk about it again in real terms after it happened. You think they were going to have low-level minions at the Dallas PD out and about creating phony witnesses and phony evidence and talking about it? And that was supposed to keep the planners secure? Recruiting people into the conspiracy like Cecil McWatters and William Whaley and a batty old woman like Mary Bledsoe was going to keep the plotters safe? Wake up, dreamer! What have you got supporting this crazy idea other than your stupid imagination? Nothing.
Claiming that the Dallas Police faked Oswald's bus and cab ride has been a terrible mistake of the JFK research community. Most of them do it in connection with the Roger Craig story, but Backes doesn't even bother with that. He doesn't need it. He does it on the basis of nothing. He just wants to believe it, and so he does. But, he's got nothing but piddling minutia. Hey! Oswald was in the doorway, and then he rode the bus and cab! And that is the plain truth. STOP INDULGING IN FANTASY!
Backes, you've got nobody left who could have done this, and you can't have a plot without plotters. I've given you valid reasons why it couldn't have been Wade or Fritz. And as for Curry, forget about it. Just listen to him. He couldn't have come off the way he did if he were harboring a deep, dark secret that they were framing Oswald for taking a bus and cab. He wasn't a professional actor.
You can't posit a theory as a mere abstraction. You can't just say the Dallas Police did it. It comes down to individuals doing it, and you don't have any.
You can't get your scenario to first base. You don't even have a hitter. Sims? Forget about it. He didn't have the authority.
You don't have the actors, and you don't even have the time. It takes time to hatch a scheme like that. Oswald wasn't even interrogated for the first time to until 3:15, so how could they possibly come up with a bus transfer ticket for him by 4:05?
And if he told them that he rode the bus, which nobody disputes, why would they take it on themselves to fraudulently reinforce his story with a phony ticket?
Curry didn't even say anything about a bus. He said there was a report that Oswald was driven away in a car by a Negro. Was he reacting to what Roger Craig said? I assume he was. But, if he was up to no good, why would he give voice to Roger Craig's story?
You can't accuse Curry, and you can't accuse anyone. You've got nobody. Who did it, Backes? I need a name. If you can't produce one, you are sunk. You have got nothing.
You can't posit a theory as a mere abstraction. You can't just say the Dallas Police did it. It comes down to individuals doing it, and you don't have any.
You can't get your scenario to first base. You don't even have a hitter. Sims? Forget about it. He didn't have the authority.
You don't have the actors, and you don't even have the time. It takes time to hatch a scheme like that. Oswald wasn't even interrogated for the first time to until 3:15, so how could they possibly come up with a bus transfer ticket for him by 4:05?
And if he told them that he rode the bus, which nobody disputes, why would they take it on themselves to fraudulently reinforce his story with a phony ticket?
Curry didn't even say anything about a bus. He said there was a report that Oswald was driven away in a car by a Negro. Was he reacting to what Roger Craig said? I assume he was. But, if he was up to no good, why would he give voice to Roger Craig's story?
You can't accuse Curry, and you can't accuse anyone. You've got nobody. Who did it, Backes? I need a name. If you can't produce one, you are sunk. You have got nothing.
Backes, I asked you a question. I asked you whether you thought Will Fritz had foreknowledge of the assassination.
Well, I know he didn't. I know for a fact that he didn't. That's because, unlike you, I have read LBJ: Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by OIC Senior Member Phillip Nelson. And in it, Phillip revealed that on the afternoon of the assassination, Cliff Carter, LBJ's right hand man, called Will Fritz 11 times to tell him that he had found his man and to close the investigation. Now, why would he do that if Fritz were in on it? He wouldn't.
So, if Fritz woke up that morning with no foreknowledge of the JFK assassination, and if he didn't start talking to Oswald until 3:15, how could he possibly reach the mental point of deciding to criminally frame Oswald for riding a bus in time to produce a phony bus transfer ticket by 4:05? There wasn't even enough time for his mind to go there, never mind produce the ticket. The pendulum doesn't swing that fast.
So, who does that leave within the Dallas PD with high enough authority to order the framing of Oswald for riding the bus? What about the police chief Jesse Curry? Well, watch this interview. A reporter asks Curry if he knew how Oswald got from downtown to the Oak Cliff area, and Curry says no.
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ajq0yYI0uRlr6biJAab3teabvZx4?p=Dallas+Police+Chief+Jesse+Curry&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-321
Reporter: Is there any word on how he got from downtown to the Oak Cliff section?
Curry: Not that I know of.
It's at 1 minute and 22 seconds into the video. I don't know the exact time it was, but Curry said that they had already talked to Oswald, and they were going to talk to him some more. So, it must have been after 4:00.
Do you think Jesse Curry had foreknowledge of the assassination? I don't think so, but even if you do, how could he order detectives to go out and find phony witnesses to place Oswald on the bus and cab if they weren't in on it? Just try to picture him announcing it to them, that this is what he needed them to do. It's ridiculous.
So, it wasn't Wade, and it wasn't Fritz, and not even Curry could pull it off because he couldn't do it himself. He'd have to get regular detectives to carry out the fraud, and why should they? How could they?
The case against the Dallas Police framing Oswald for riding a bus and cab is falling apart.
Well, I know he didn't. I know for a fact that he didn't. That's because, unlike you, I have read LBJ: Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by OIC Senior Member Phillip Nelson. And in it, Phillip revealed that on the afternoon of the assassination, Cliff Carter, LBJ's right hand man, called Will Fritz 11 times to tell him that he had found his man and to close the investigation. Now, why would he do that if Fritz were in on it? He wouldn't.
So, if Fritz woke up that morning with no foreknowledge of the JFK assassination, and if he didn't start talking to Oswald until 3:15, how could he possibly reach the mental point of deciding to criminally frame Oswald for riding a bus in time to produce a phony bus transfer ticket by 4:05? There wasn't even enough time for his mind to go there, never mind produce the ticket. The pendulum doesn't swing that fast.
So, who does that leave within the Dallas PD with high enough authority to order the framing of Oswald for riding the bus? What about the police chief Jesse Curry? Well, watch this interview. A reporter asks Curry if he knew how Oswald got from downtown to the Oak Cliff area, and Curry says no.
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ajq0yYI0uRlr6biJAab3teabvZx4?p=Dallas+Police+Chief+Jesse+Curry&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-321
Reporter: Is there any word on how he got from downtown to the Oak Cliff section?
Curry: Not that I know of.
It's at 1 minute and 22 seconds into the video. I don't know the exact time it was, but Curry said that they had already talked to Oswald, and they were going to talk to him some more. So, it must have been after 4:00.
Do you think Jesse Curry had foreknowledge of the assassination? I don't think so, but even if you do, how could he order detectives to go out and find phony witnesses to place Oswald on the bus and cab if they weren't in on it? Just try to picture him announcing it to them, that this is what he needed them to do. It's ridiculous.
So, it wasn't Wade, and it wasn't Fritz, and not even Curry could pull it off because he couldn't do it himself. He'd have to get regular detectives to carry out the fraud, and why should they? How could they?
The case against the Dallas Police framing Oswald for riding a bus and cab is falling apart.
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