Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque

B pete, you are one stupid mudder-ruck. 

I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot.

Lovelady said that he thought it was firecrackers until Gloria came up and told them that the President had been shot. He didn't say that he thought it was firecrackers, and three minutes later he found out otherwise. The whole implication of what he said is that very promptly Gloria straightened him out. He didn't hear what he thought were firecrackers, and stand there for 3 minutes continuing to think it was firecrackers until Gloria straightened him out. It happened right away. 

Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps? Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25. 

This ices it. He took 20 to 25 strides then turned around and saw Truly and Baker running into the building. That's what you have to go by. Nothing trumps that, you stupid pluck. How could it be 3 minutes when Baker encountered Oswald in the snack room just 70 seconds after the final shot? 

Why do you have to be so stupid about this? 

Now, as for Shelley:

Mr. BALL - Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.
Mr. BALL - While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes

But, that's impossible because Baker encountered Oswald in the lunch room just 70 seconds after the last shot. 

So, I don't know how those references to 3 or 4 minutes got in there. Did Lovelady and Shelley really say them, or were they added to the testimony fraudulently later? I don't know, but what I do know is that they are wrong and inapplicable.  

Shelley and Lovelady were part of the wave of people who descended on the railroad tracks, and it happened immediately. We even have a picture of them from the Couch film, and it was just 15 to 20 seconds after the last shot. 

That's Shelley and Lovelady. 

Above is Billy Lovelady three X: twice on 11/22/63 and once on 2/29/64. 

You are evil, B. Pete. You can't even be nice to Jewish people.

bpete1969

On the contrary, you stated that the miracles of Christ were nothing but “common tricks”. If his miracles were mere “magic” as you described, then the miracles of your Torah were mere magic considering the were done by the same God. Nice try but again, you failed.
I would also suggest you study the Gospels of the New Testament for any reference to Jesus Christ and his lineage and the fulfillment of prophecy as opposed to the Tosefta or other materials written by Jews that not only deny the divinity of Christ but invent out of whole cloth, stories and fables to justify the rejection of Christ by Jews. The conversion of Paul was a miracle as well, and his continued life of evangelizing and persecution is a testament itself as to the divinity of Jesus Christ and his common tricks.