The personal stuff, the put-downs require no comment other than:
sticks and stones can break my bones, etc.
But, getting to the crux of it, first he said that nobody in the doorway identified Doorman as Oswald. Well, they wouldn't dare. Word spread very quickly that no one who values his or her life saw Oswald in the doorway. In the end, they brought out three employees to attest that it was Lovelady, but that's 3 out of 75. They asked Danny Arce, and he wasn't even in the doorway. And when they asked Lovelady, he identified another figure as himself:
Now, let's get something straight here: this situation is like a toggle switch. It is an either/or situation. There are only two people ON EARTH who could have been Doorman: Lee Harvey Oswald or Billy Lovelady. That means that when Lovelady identified himself as Black Hole Man in the Altgens photo (so named because his face is like a black hole in outer space) it was 100% equivalent to him saying, "the other guy was Oswald."
So, for all practical purposes, Lovelady DID identify Oswald in the doorway as the Doorway Man.
And when we look at these two images of Oswald, what do we see?
We see Oswald's clothes! It's the unbuttoned, sprawled-open outer shirt over the exposed white t-shirt. THAT WAS OSWALD'S OUTFIT. It wasn't Lovelady's outfit. We see Oswald's slender build. On both sides, the guy looks skinny. Oswald was 5'9" 131 pounds. Hey! I'm lean, and I'm 5'6" 134 pounds. Lovelady at the time was 5'8" 170 pounds, or at least that is what he weighed when the FBI weighed him on Feb 29, 1964. He may have even been heavier on 11/22/63. So, we're talking about Laurel and Hardy here, and which one does this guy look like? He looks like Stan Laurel.
So, when I say we have Oswald imaged twice- in the Altgens photo and the Wiegman film- I mean we've got him pegged as well as we've got JFK pegged in the limo. Might as well say Jack was Bobby as say that Doorman was Lovelady.
And let's remember that besides Lovelady, in effect, saying it was Oswald in the doorway, we've got Lee Harvey Oswald saying he was "out with Bill Shelley in front."
So, that's two people- two witnesses- saying it was Oswald in the doorway. And which two people? The most crucial two people: Oswald and Lovelady.
Now, we'll move on to the discrepancy between Hughes and Wiegman, as to Doorman's position.
bpunk has decided to play the "he relocated card". So, he is actually claiming that Doorman was standing behind and above Roy Lewis in Hughes, and then he physically relocated himself to the center of the doorway for when Wiegman rode by.
And his argument is based on apparent movement of the figures in the Hughes film. Apparently, bpunk makes no distinction between moving around in the same spot- where you are waving and whatnot- and relocating your body to another spot.
They are two very different things, and you can't extrapolate from one to the other. Just because we see some movement in Doorman with his arms and whatnot does not mean that the assumption can be made that he picked himself up and relocated to another part of the doorway. There is no basis for that at all. It is just an arbitrary assumption that happens to be very convenient.
So, what bpunk cited means nothing. Absolutely nothing. What would mean something is if Lovelady reported relocating during the motorcade. But, he didn't. And nobody else said he did.
In fact, as for Lovelady, when asked where he was, he just said, "it would be your top level".
Mr. BALL - You were standing on which step?
Mr. LOVELADY - It would be your top level.
Mr. BALL - The top step you were standing there?
Mr. LOVELADY - Right.
It is an unqualified statement. It's not like a ball that you can pick up and run with. And it corresponds perfectly with him being Black Hole Man. It also corresponds with him being Doorman, granted, but only the Wiegman Doorman. Not the Hughes Doorman. Lovelady never said anything about hovering over Roy Lewis.
And to be honest and frank here, this was 1963, and the Civil Rights Act, which Kennedy created and championed and which Johnson fought like a dog during the Kennedy administration finally got passed in 1964 when Johnson could take credit for it. But, this was Dallas, Texas, not the most progressive city in the country and far from it. It was a Confederate town. So, what I'm saying is that the whole racial thing alone makes it very doubtful that Billy Lovelady was hovering over Roy Lewis. Again: it was 1963, and the country had a long way to go in that area.
So, there is no evidence that Doorman relocated during the motorcade. And there is evidence that he didn't because if you assume he was Lovelady, Lovelady stipulated his location without any reference to relocating when he was specifically asked where he was, and if you're going to assume Doorman was Oswald, then you've conceded everything, hence, it's all over.
And there is nothing about that gif that bpunk put up that substantiates a physical relocating by Doorman.
Furthermore, it makes no sense that Doorman would move BACK when he was already FORWARD. If he needed to see better, there was room next to Roy Lewis. We presume Roy was seeing fine, right? Doorman would have seen just as well as Roy if he stood next to him. There were plenty of people on the sidewalk and they were seeing fine.
So, there is no basis whatsoever to assume that Doorman relocated backward during the motorcade. But more important: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE DID.
bpunk, I know you are just a boy and not a man, but get something straight: YOU CAN'T JUST PULL STUFF FROM OUT YOUR ASS AND PLOP IT DOWN. You don't have a leg to stand on with this claim. It is based on nothing but your own wishful thinking-- wishful desperate thinking.
But, just think: all of this materialized for one reason and one reason only: BECAUSE YOU OPENED YOUR BIG FAT MOUTH.
So, indirectly and unintentionally, you help me because you prompt me to write more- to expound and to elaborate.
So, keep it up, mudder-rucker. You dumb pluck. And remember something else: I always have the last word. Nothing you say ever leaves me without recourse. Never has, never will.
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