Tuesday, February 11, 2014

I received some nice, well-stated support from Richard Charnin concerning the discovery of Lovelady's arrow on CE 369. Guess what, bpete? Richard Charnin agrees with me.

Ralph Cinque displayed compelling new evidence that the Altgens6 photo showed Oswald was in the Doorway. David Von Pein admitted that there were TWO arrows placed on the photo at the Warren Commission. The first arrow was placed by Buell Frazier pointing to Doorman standing at the extreme left. Frazier claimed it was Billy Lovelady. But Lovelady pointed another (barely visible) arrow to himself in the center of the doorway as he was shielding his eyes from the sun. You don't forget where you were when the president was shot. Von Pein conceded that two arrows were drawn. 

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20007 

David Von Pein claimed that both arrows pointed to Lovelady. But there was just ONE arrow pointing to Doorman. IT WAS A CLEAR DISTORTION BY VON PEIN. HE DID NOT BELIEVE HIS LYING EYES WHICH SHOWED A SECOND, FAINT ARROW POINTING TO LOVELADY WHICH WAS PLACED THERE BY LOVELADY. 

Von Pein LIED when he wrote: "Note that Warren Commission Exhibit No. 369 (which is a picture of James Altgens' photograph showing Doorway Man) was actually marked with TWO different arrows pointing toward Lovelady (aka Doorway Man).

CE369 was first marked with an arrow by Buell Wesley Frazier on March 11, 1964, at 2 H 242: http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0125b.htm

And that same exhibit was then marked with another arrow by Billy
Lovelady himself on April 7, 1964 (at 6 H 338): http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/html/WC_Vol6_0174b.htm

When looking at the picture of CE369, I cannot see the second arrow that was drawn in. I see only one dark arrow to the left (west) of Lovelady. But the testimony is very clear -- TWO arrows were drawn on CE369, the first one by Wesley Frazier when the exhibit was first introduced into evidence by the Warren Commission on March 11th; and a second arrow marked on the same picture by Billy Lovelady on April 7th.

Now, from the testimony, it's a bit unclear as to which witness (Frazier or Lovelady) drew in the dark arrow that is easily visible in CE369. But that visible arrow might very well have been drawn by Frazier and not Lovelady. But I'm not entirely sure of that.

But Joseph Ball's instructions to Lovelady might give a clue. Ball said this to Lovelady:
"Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are. .... Draw an arrow down to that; do it in the dark. You got an arrow in the dark and one in the white pointing toward you."

So, via the above testimony, it's possible that Lovelady's arrow is "in the dark" and cannot be easily seen.

I suppose this confusion about who drew the dark arrow pointing to Doorway Man in CE369 will spark some additional controversy concerning the true identity of the man in the TSBD doorway, with some conspiracy theorists possibly wanting to now claim that Billy Lovelady didn't really mark CE369 at all with an arrow in 1964.

But it's quite clear to me from the Warren Commission records that BOTH Wesley Frazier AND Billy Lovelady drew separate arrows pointing to the SAME PERSON (Doorway Man) in Commission Exhibit No. 369.

And, of course, as I've pointed out in previous posts, there's also Wes Frazier's testimony at the 1986 mock trial in London, where Frazier identified Doorway Man as Lovelady."

David Von Pein
June 4, 2012

No David, you have just been exposed misrepresenting the facts. Who do you believe, George Ball of the WC or your lying eyes?

And here is a comment I left on the Facebook page:

Thank you, Richard. And I think it's also important to note that Richard Hooke had already pegged Black Hole Man as Lovelady long before I found or even looked for his arrow on CE 369. I do believe that Lovelady was following Joseph Ball's instructions by drawing his arrow in the black space of BH Man's enclosed arms. However, his slight overlap of the flesh-colored forearm, was that just an accidental slip, or did he do it on purpose? I don't claim to know, but I do know that at the time, Lovelady desired to tell the truth. Those who question this and dispute it have a very simple task: they merely have to find Lovelady's real arrow. They can't claim that it's invisible because even the head of Frazier's arrow, which was drawn black on black, can be made out if you look closely enough. So, they must find another arrow to attribute to Lovelady or else this one wins by default. Dems da rules.

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