And you know something? The time problem isn't mine; it's YOURS!
In this picture, we can see a guy who is supposed to be Lovelady sitting in a room with Oswald, and the clock says 2 PM.
According to Lovelady, they didn't leave for City Hall until 1:45. So how could he wind up perched in the inner sanctum of the homicide detectives by 2:00?
Contradict yourself much, bpete?
Then, bpete doesn't know the difference between a statement of the FBI and a statement of Lovelady:
That is not a statement of Billy Lovelady. That is a statement of the FBI. You notice there are no quotation marks attributed to Billy Lovelady in the statement. You notice that they didn't put Lovelady in front of media cameras to make a statement and answer questions to reporters.
And when it was Joseph Ball's turn, he didn't dare ask Lovelady directly if he was the individual who resembled Oswald; instead he played an arrow-drawing game with Lovelady- anything but ask him directly.
Mr. BALL - I have got a picture here, Commission Exhibit 369. Are you on that picture?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Take a pen or pencil and mark an arrow where you are.
Mr. LOVELADY - Where I thought the shots are?
Mr. BALL - No; you in the picture.
What the fuck? What Ball wanted to know was who Doorman was in the picture, so why didn't he just ask Lovelady directly about it like he did Frazier?
Mr. BALL - Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER - That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL - Billy?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right
Mr. BALL - Let's take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - In front of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Is this a Commission exhibit?
We will make this a Commission Exhibit No. 369.
"Do you recognize this fellow?" Why the Hell didn't Ball ask that of Lovelady?
Remember how the FBI twisted what Carolyn Arnold said, moving her sighting of Oswald from 12: 25 to 12: 15? Remember how they twisted what Victoria Adams said?
So you, bpete, can take your FBI statement and shove it the same place Backes shoves his proscenium arches.
bpete also posted an FBI statement about what Bill Shelley said but before we get to it, make note of this statement by Billy Lovelady, and it is his own testimony, his own words:
Mr. LOVELADY - I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
So, Shelley was apparently one of the first ones out there. Lovelady saw him out there before the assassination, where Lovelady had enough time to join him and sit down on the steps and eat his lunch before the assassination. And, I think we can infer from the above that Shelley and Stanton were down on the steps.
They went out there to watch the motorcade. And they had to know that others would be coming out there to do the same. Therefore, they weren't going to stay way in the back; they were going to go to the front, or at least closer to the front. What reason would Shelley have had to stay back in the shadows? Wasn't it a nice day to be in the sun? Couldn't he see more and better going forward than staying back?
When Billy said that he saws Shelley standing outside, know what he meant. He meant that Shelley was down on the steps. He wasn't back in the shadows. Now let's look at the FBI statement concerning what Shelley said:
He was actually standing next to Doorman when the photograph was taken but was not in view of the camera?
Shelley could not have meant that he was Black Tie Man or Black Hole Man or even Obfuscated Man because each one of them is in view of the camera. And we can see in the Wiegman film that there was no one on the other side of Doorman.
So, what does that mean? It means that Shelley lied about where he was. He was down on those steps just as Billy Lovelady depicted.
Mr. LOVELADY - I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.
Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
What's the alternative? That Bill Shelley was originally down on the steps with Sarah Stanton but then before the shooting began he moved back up to be back in the shadows? Why would he have done that? And why should we believe it?
Shelley never would have done that. Shelley was on those steps and early on those steps for one reason: to make sure Lee Harvey Oswald didn't wander out into Dealey Plaza. He was there to block the way- Oswald's way. And I mean just in case Oswald ventured outside- which he did.
Shelley lied about where he was in the doorway, and he lied about the identity of Doorway Man. He lied about not seeing Oswald outside.
Oswald told Fritz that he was "out with Bill Shelley in front" because he thought that Shelley would corroborate his story.
Oswald named someone who was there in the doorway. How could Oswald know that Shelley was in the doorway unless he saw him there? And don't start saying that he just assumed it because even if he assumed that Shelley went outside to watch the motorcade, he could have gone anywhere in Dealey Plaza. He did not have to be in that doorway.
Shelley lied about where he stood, and he lied about who Doorman was. As William Weston and Elzie Glaze explained, Bill Shelley was a CIA man from way back, and he was very much part of the plot to kill Kennedy.
Read The Spider's Web: the TSBD and the Dallas Conspiracy:
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