Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque

You really want to open that can of worms, Von Pein? OK by me.

Von Pein: "Why couldn't Lovelady have been wearing a V-neck T-shirt on 11/22/63?Was Lovelady ever asked precisely what type of T-shirt he was wearing that day? Isn't it possible that he could have owned some V-neck T-shirts as well as some that had a "round" neck? Granted, I suppose most men would buy and wear just one type of T-shirt (whatever their preference might be), but isn't it possible that Lovelady wore a "V" type once in a while? And can Ralph prove that Lovelady never wore (or owned) such a "V"-neck T-shirt?"

Cinque: This was 1963 and v-neck t-shirts were largely unavailable (notwithstanding your pointing to Wally Cleaver). Not even Oswald was wearing a v-neck tshirt, not technically. His t-shirt got deformed into a vee by him tugging on it. But, thanks for acknowledging that Doorman's t-shirt indeed looks vee. But, you are reaching for the high heavens in suggesting that Lovelady might have worn a v-neck t-shirt.


Next DVP produces an image of Oswald in which the t-shirt DOESN'T look vee. But, we know about, and there are others like it. The vee fluctuated, depending on whether the t-shirt was pulled down in front of in back. But, we have several images of Oswald in which the t-shirt looks decidedly vee- some even more vee than in the doorway.

And, you're being ridiculous, David, in suggesting that the vee came about during the scuffle. Anything that sudden and violent would have torn the t-shirt. The vee that we see on Oswald was caused by a gentle stretching that was applied repeatedly and often, as per his habit. Furthermore, you have no right to assume that the t-shirt was ever grabbed during the scuffle. It wasn't reported, and you don't get to assume it.

To quote you in reference to you: "You're just making this crap up as you go along, it would seem."

Then you urge us to consider the idea that Billy Lovelady also had the habit of stretching his t-shirts:

"You're now an expert on the subject of whether or not Billy Lovelady ever stretched his T-shirts into a "V" shape, is that it? You must be delusional."

But, we have images of Lovelady from 1964 to 1976, and his t-shirts always look perfectly round. And even the images of him from November 22, 1963 show a round t-shirt, although I'll point out that I consider all those images to be fake. That's right: NONE of the alleged images of BNL from 11/22/63 are really him.

You used the word "delusional" about me, but the following shows YOU to be the one who is delusoinal:

"In short, I think you've debunked your own "T-shirt theory", because nobody can possibly know for sure (here in 2012, with Mr. Lovelady having been dead for several decades now) whether or not Billy Lovelady ever "tugged" or "distorted" the T-shirts he wore back in 1963."

Next, Von Pein gets to photos of Wally Cleaver in a v-neck t-shirt, but it only proves my point: that Oswald's t-shirt wasn't really vee; it was a round t-shirt that got deformed into a veeish one, and that is what we are seeing on Doorman.

Then Von Pein quotes Oswald:

REPORTER -- "Did you shoot the President?"
LEE HARVEY OSWALD -- "I work in that building."
REPORTER -- "Were you in the building at the time?"
LEE HARVEY OSWALD -- "Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, sir."

But, what about "out with Bill Shelley in front"? That's what he told to police. Doesn't that trump what he said to a reporter?

And if you're going to quote Oswald, why not Lovelady?

Ball: Did you EVER see Oswald again THAT DAY (after breaking for lunch)?
Lovelady: No.

Von Pein goes on to say that "Lovelady pointed HIMSELF out as being Doorway Man."

Not true! Lovelady NEVER said to Joseph Ball that he was Doorway Man. Instead, he drew an arrow to Black Hole Man to indicate himself.

And if you disagree with that, then you find Lovelady's arrow because you sure as heck can't use Frazier's.

And you really are delusional, Von Pein. I've said all along that Doorman's hairline matches Lovelady, but it's the young Lovelady from the 1950s. The fact that it also matches 1964 Lovelady is because the FBI changed his hairline too. It went from 1950s Lovelady to Doorman to FBI Lovelady.

Why should the 1950s Lovelady have the same hairline as 1964 Lovelady when he was a RAPIDLY balding young man? Did you see the 1967 picture of him that was taken by CBS? He was practically bald by then. So it would like his hair remained stable for 7 years and then fell out in mass over 3 years.

Von Pein, you completely failed to refute ANYTHING I said. You're wrong on all counts. You failed, and you failed miserably, and I'm not through.