Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque

Oh great, bpete wants to delve into this further. The Altgens photo is a real photo, and Doorman is a real figure in it. Yes, there were alterations made to the Altgens photo, including to Doorman, but the photo itself is real, and the figure of Doorman is real. He is real, and he is altered.

Now bpete, not being a very bright boy, thinks that there is a contradiction there, but there isn't. I never said that Doorman was not standing in the doorway. I never said that the image of Doorman was implanted into the picture, that the spot where we see him was empty when Altgens took his picture. But, that is exactly what I am saying about the image of Lovelady in the PD footage, that there was no one at that desk, not Lovelady, and not anyone else. No one was seated there. 

So, I am not questioning the existence of the Altgens Doorman. There definitely was an Altgens Doorman. The only question is, who was he? So, it is perfectly OK and in fact obligatory to look at him and to look at images of Oswald and Lovelady and compare the three. And that is the only recourse that really matters in the whole inquiry. 

But, I do challenge and dispute the very existence of the Squad Room Lovelady. I deny that Lovelady was there. And I have laid out a very sound basis to deny that Lovelady was there. 

So, these are the differences between the Man in the Doorway and the Man at the Desk. The former was definitely real but needs to be identified, and the latter was not real and should be rejected. He was not Lovelady, and he wasn't even there.

Regarding the testimonies, bpete is ignoring the most significant parts:

Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building? 
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes. 

Look, Baker reached the steps quickly. It only took him 70 seconds after the last shot to reach the 2nd floor lunch room. So, he definitely reached the steps within 15 seconds of the last shot. And Lovelady reported being 20 to 25 steps, meaning strides, away on their trek to the tracks. This gives us a distinct reference point in time. 

Now regarding Shelley, he told us point-blank that he did NOT see 

Oswald out in front after the assassination. 

Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, the day the President was shot, when is the last time you saw Oswald?
Mr. SHELLEY. It was 10 or 15 minutes before 12.
Mr. BALL. Where?
Mr. SHELLEY. On the first floor over near the telephone.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
Mr. SHELLEY. At the police station when they brought him in.
Mr. BALL. Did you see him in the building at any time after 12?
Mr. SHELLEY. No.
Mr. BALL. Did you at anytime after the President was shot see Oswald in the building?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you at anytime after the President was shot tell Oswald to go home?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir. 

So, Shelley did NOT see Oswald between 11:45 and whenever he saw him at the police station.  It amounts to a denial that he saw Oswald out front after the assassination. 

And Shelley would have had no reason to lie about seeing Oswald at 12:35 when he was departing for home. 

Keep in mind that I do think that Bill Shelley was a conspirator. I think he was one of Oswald's handlers. I know for a fact that he was CIA from 1947 onward, and he was Army Intelligence before that. I don't believe for one second that he decided to devote his life to distributing Dick and Jane readers to little kids. The TSBD was a CIA front company for their illegal activities, including the assassination of President Kennedy, and that's what Bill Shelley was doing there. 

My point is that Bill Shelley would certainly have lied about not seeing Oswald in front DURING the assassination. But, he had no reason to lie about seeing him afterwards as Oswald left for home. So, if he had, he would have said so. But, he denied it. It's because it didn't happen. Lying bpete just pulled it out his ass. 

Let's look closely at Shelley's testimony about the immediate aftermath because he was confused: 

Mr. BALL. Then what happened (after the shots)?

Mr. SHELLEY. Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.
Mr. BALL. Across the street, you mean directly south?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, slightly to the right, you know where the light is there?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. SHELLEY. That little, old side street runs in front of our building and Elm Street.
Mr. BALL. It dead ends?
Mr. SHELLEY. There's concrete between the two streets.
Mr. BALL. Elm Street dead ends there just beyond the building, doesn't it?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, that's also Elm that goes under the triple underpass.
Mr. BALL. That is Elm that goes under the triple underpass?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You went to the concrete between the two Elm Streets?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, where they split.
Mr. BALL. You went out there and then what did you do?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, officers started running down to the railroad yards and Billy and I walked down that way.
Mr. BALL. How did you get down that way; what course did you take?
Mr. SHELLEY. We walked down the middle of the little street.
Mr. BALL. The dead-end street?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.
Mr. BALL. While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY. It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes I would say because this girl that ran back up there was down near where the car was when the President was hit.

The whole plaza isn't that big, and if Gloria Calvary was down near where JFK's limo was on Elm, and she ran back to the TSBD, we're talking about 15 seconds. Less than 10 for me. So, I don't know where he got 3 or 4 minutes from; that's ridiculous. And how could there have been 3 or 4 minutes from the time of the last shot until Truly and Baker entered the building when it's a known fact that Baker had his encounter with Oswald in the lunch room about a minute and 14 seconds after the last shot? And remember that the Warren Commission tested it, repeatedly, using Baker himself and others. So, Shelley had to have been wrong about that. 

And there is another reason why the "trek to the tracks" must have been immediately after the shooting: Lovelady reported that people were "yelling and hollering". Yes, that is known to have happened, but it happened immediately and it ended very quickly. If Shelley and Lovelady had waited 5 minutes to begin their trek to the tracks- sufficient time to have an encounter with Oswald out front as he was going home- the yelling and hollering would have been all over. 

And by the way, Lovelady also denied seeing Oswald. He denied EVER seeing him again on November 22 after they broke for lunch at 11:45:

Ball: Did you EVER see Oswald again THAT DAY?

Lovelady: NO.

So, both Shelley and Lovelady denied the very thing that bpete is claiming: that there was visual contact between the three of them after the assassination as Oswald was leaving. It is pure bull shit by a bull shit artist who is paid to spew it.

And there's more. We even have a picture of Shelley and Lovelady walking down to the railroad tracks, and it was taken immediately after the shooting, within seconds. 

  

Finally, you can ignore that old poster of Richard Hooke's that bpete is brandishing about the alterations that were done to Doorman. Not even Richard endorses it any more, so why is bpete still talking about it? We should be talking about what I claim, which is that the top of Doorman's head, including his hairline, what I call is "cap", was overlaid with Young Lovelady's. 

 Stay in real time, bpete, you little shit. Stop trying to confuse the issue. This is what they did to Doorman (Oswald) to Lovelady-ify him.