Oswald in the doorway: the blog of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, by Ralph Cinque

David Lifton: 

Thank you, Joe. (for a source for "A Year Ago Today" with the Lovelady clip) And here's information I received from Gary Mack, via email. He informs me that the photographer was Charles Buck of WFAA, and that the location was "the Dallas Police interrogation room." Further, that the DPD floor chart refers to it as the "interview room."

He also states that clearer copies of the Buck film show the clock as "2:02". Gary says that Buck was present with two other photographers, but he didn't know their names or who they worked for. Moreover, he said that his film appeared unedited on WFAA that first day, since it was the only one they had of Oswald, when he was taken in for the first time.

If so--if the film was broadcast that day--then that would negate any hypothesis that Lovelady was "embedded" or added in later.

It's now clear, from the report that Joe Backes found, that Lovelady and some others were in fact brought to the Dallas Police Department. I'd still like to know who interrogated them, what they were asked, and where are those reports.

One other thing: Gary points out what I think has been noted (probably by him) on other threads, and weeks or even months ago): WFAA station manager Mike Shapiro alerted the FBI to the "doorway man" and invited investigators to study the photo at the TV station. He says that there are films and video tapes of them doing just that--and they still exist. I do believe all of this has been discussed before--and there are FBI reports dated 11/25/63, when this whole matter was addressed.

So that's why those of us who are "old-timers" find it difficult (if not impossible) to now accept the notion that it was Oswald in the doorway "after all." It was not Oswald "after all," and it never was Oswald. Moreover, this entire issue was settled decades ago. So, it's not just a matter of "old wine in new bottles"; it's a matter of attempting to recycle an issue which was long ago resolved, and which has no valid reason for being revived today.

Anyway, my primary purpose in beginning this thread was to address the question: why was Lovelady at the DPD, prior to the arrival of Oswald? It now appears that he was brought there with "others" and I'd like to know by whom, and who conducted the interrogation. The hypothesis I posited is that the same "resemblance" which has caused so much trouble (vis a vis the issue of whether he was "the man in the doorway") may have caused him to be picked up early and brought in for interrogation, based on an incomplete and faulty profile of the pre-selected patsy. If Lovelady was brought in for an innocent reason, then that conjecture would be wrong. But it's still not clear to me why Lovelady was in the Dallas Police "interrogation room" at that early hour. Perhaps it's innocent, but I'd still like to see more information before the issue is entirely resolved in my own mind.

Ralph Cinque:

David, are you unaware that there is a hierarchy involved, that some things matter more than others and that one thing may be so important as to trump everything else and make every other consideration moot? 

The man in the doorway is wearing Oswald's clothes. Are you listening? I said: THE MAN IN THE DOORWAY IS WEARING OSWALD'S CLOTHES. And they were very unique clothes worn in a very unique way. 

That unbuttoned, sprawled open, outer shirt with the vast exposure of the white t-shirt which had a notched opening was Oswald's outfit. He was the only one dressed like that. The slender build underneath the clothes is the same on both. And, it's easy to match many of the facial features as well, including ears, nose, mouth, and chin.

Both the anatomical man and the clothes he is wearing are a match to Oswald. Lovelady doesn't even come close. 

That settles it; Doorman had to be Oswald. 

You say that "A Year Ago Today" was shown on November 22, 1963? Are you naive? Nobody had Tivo back then and could record it. And, you can't tell me that anyone who saw it back then (and is still alive) can remember whether Lovelady was at that desk. I don't doubt that the Charles Buck film WAS shown on 11/22/63. But, it was shown without Lovelady being at that desk. The cops and Oswald just walked right by it without incident. Nobody remembers a thing about it because nobody noticed it at the time. 

Look, they killed Kennedy, right? And they framed Oswald, right? And then they instituted a massive cover-up that continues to this day, right? Then why can't you fathom that they took an old movie and added Lovelady to it and then passed it off as the original? So, don't tell me that they showed the movie on 11/22/63, and therefore it must be authentic. They did NOT show it on 11/22/63 the way it looks today. 

And no, it was NOT an interview room. It was called the squad room. Here's the schematic:

So, they led Oswald back there. Then the big cop and Oswald and the others stare into that Interview/Supply room in the back corner for a long while. What they were looking at and pondering, I don't know. Was there someone in there? We just don't know. But, they definitely didn't put Oswald in there. And how they reversed that big train of people within that small cramped room we don't know either. There's a lot they "edited" out. Some versions of the footage next show Oswald alone in a very small room- like a monkey in a cage- with photographers crowded around taking his picture. But, that got edited out of the version of AYAT that appears online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNKMO7MbGgw

The Lovelady walk-by footage starts at 38:42, if you're interested. 

But, you should realize something, David: that there are no two versions of this footage that are the same. And some are so radically different from each other that you can't match a single frame between them. To say that the whole thing stinks of corruption and cover-up and fraud is a vast understatement.

So, you don't know what was shown or how it looked on 11/22/63, and just knowing that something was shown does not authenticate anything. 

But yes, Lovelady and many others were brought to City Hall to make statements. But, just the fact that he was part of a large group should tell you that he wasn't put in that tiny little squad room. What for? There was nothing special about him; he was just a warehouse worker. Why would they put him, of all people, a lowly warehouse worker who saw nothing and heard little, in the inner sanctum- the locker room- of the homicide detectives?   

And you alluded to the strangeness of it yourself when you wondered whether it had something to do with the Altgens photo and his resemblance to Doorway Man. But, it was only 2:00 PM on the day of the assassination, and you can't tell me that the Dallas Police and the FBI had that on their minds then. 

And remember that Doorway Man appears in the Altgens photo, which was an AP product, not that of WFAA. And, the disposition of the Altgens photo after it was taken is a subject of great debate. But, why should investigators have been looking at it at a tv station? How could they be doing that when WFAA was and is an ABC affiliate? Furthermore, according to officialdom, the Altgens photo was fax-wired to the entire world at 1:03 PM, so it was a done deal. Isn't that what we're told? 

But, none of these dubious claims change the fact that a man with Oswald's physical features and dressed in Oswald's unusual clothing is standing in the doorway of the Altgens photo. That trumps everything. That supersedes everything. It belies all the lies. The only way it could be Lovelady in the doorway is if he attacked Lee in the bathroom, stole his clothes, wore them to watch the motorcade, and then returned them to Oswald before he left the building. That's it! If you want to go down that road, go ahead. But, that's the only option you've got, and it's not a very good one. Otherwise, it's a lost cause, and it's Oswald in the doorway.  

David, I don't care how settled you think this is. I don't care how time-honored and steeped in tradition and certainty the Lovelady contention is. It's Oswald in the doorway, and we know that because we can see him there. It is way beyond the threshold of certainty, and everything else, including everything you said, dissolves away to nothingness. It has reached the point that it is INSANE to deny that it's Oswald in the doorway. It can't not be him. 

David, you need to decide whose side you are on. Are you on the side of the blood-soaked Kennedy-killers or are you on the side of the JFK truthers? And there is no middle ground. I don't know what psychological reasons you have to cling to an antiquated, outdated, and preposterous theory, but I am imploring you to SNAP OUT OF IT! Enough is enough, David. It's Oswald in the doorway like it's Christ on the Cross, and you need to stop fighting it. 

Stop the nonsense. Stop the lies. 
It's Lee Harvey Oswald outside.