God-damn, shit-for-brains Backes can’t even state my positions correctly. He keeps getting them wrong,
moron that he is. He says:
“One
being the Charles Buck film of where they parade Oswald past the seated
Lovelady, and the other being the same event filmed by another cameraman
who was basically, standing right next to Buck, were
spliced together.”
No,
Backes. It’s the splicing of the original film with a reenacted version which
was made much later. The Lovelady figure is a different man in each, so how could it be
the same film?
Backes: "Lovelady doesn't walk by anyone, Lovelady is seated!"
Cinque: Everybody knows that, Backes. I call it the Lovelady walk-by because Lovelady gets walked by. I'm not going to call it the Oswald walk-by because he is not the person of interest in it; Lovelady is.
And I know about the number of frames that occur in a second, and I know the frames I posted aren't sequential. But, the frames I posted are representative of the segue from one film to the other.
You are such a fucking idiot. It's 39:04 on the left and 39:05 on the right. I know there are many frames between these two, and I even posted one of them, the Curtain frame.
And fuck you about the changing technologies. Whatever they are, and whatever conversion process was involved in putting the film on youtube, was a constant. It affected the quality of the film evenly throughout; therefore changes and contrasts within the film are still significant.
Yes, there was a point where the exact splice was made, but rather than trying to pinpoint that, it is far more valuable to get clear, unmistakable frames of pre and post and show the differences. The exact splice took place somewhere within the 39:04 second in the film below:
The only one who is confused, Backes, is you. It's crystal-clear to everyone else.
Backes: Then he undercuts his own argument that there were not TWO films spliced
together.
And remember that in this case, we are, supposedly, not comparing two different films. We are, supposedly, looking at one continuous piece of footage by one cameraman. So, here they can't blame any differences on two camermen- that's out.
Cinque: Did you miss the word "supposedly"? I only used it twice. My point was that YOU can't claim that a slightly different angle between two different cameramen accounts for the differences.
Backes: The cameramen were moving you IDIOT. They were walking right behind the police, that's why the focal point of the film changes, asshole.
Backes: The cameramen were moving you IDIOT. They were walking right behind the police, that's why the focal point of the film changes, asshole.
Cinque: By why did it change at that particular point? It didn't change before that, and they were moving all along. The perspective was consistent before the Curtain frame, and it was consistent after the Curtain frame, but it changed at that point.
Backes: 39:04 and 39:05 are not film frames. They are measurements in time, and are not, ARE NOT, numbers given to individual film frames.
Cinque: I know that, and everybody and his fucking brother knows that. It's 39 minutes and 4 seconds or 39 minutes and 5 seconds. And everybody knows that there were a lot of frames in-between, including the Curtain frame. If you want a showing of the exact splice, I don't know if it's even possible to nail it down exactly, but this tightens it up a lot:
On the left is the DeNiro version from 3 Shots with that extra guy on the left, whom you don't see in the Wolper film. And on the right is the Wolper film with the big cop wearing the white hat starting to veer right, which you don't see in 3 Shots. So, we are looking at two different films above.
Notice that it says 39:04 for both. And we are talking about an extremely small fraction of a second difference there. Notice that on the right, the rear cop's shoulder is narrower and less sloped than on the left. Those are two different films spliced together right about at that point. Happy now?
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