Mr. BALL. Where were you standing when you heard the shots?
Mr. ARCE. I was standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository. I was on that grassy area part in front.
Mr. BALL. You were not on the sidewalk?
Mr. ARCE. No, I was on the sidewalk, then I walked up to the grass to get a higher view. and still couldn't see.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear shots?
Mr. BALL. Did you hear shots?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. How many?
Mr. ARCE. Three.
Mr. BALL. When you were on the grass, were you south where you were? Where were you with reference to the entrance to the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. ARCE. I was down to the west side, a little more to the west.
Mr. BALL. Were you west of the building itself?
Mr. Arce. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. You were not in front of the building?
Mr. ARCE. I was directly in front, but then I walked a few steps down to the west side.
Mr. BALL. Where were you with reference to the west wall of the building?
Mr. ARCE. Oh, I was way far from it. I was across the street, I mean.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean "across the street"?
Mr. ARCE. Well, there's a little sidewalk right across the street and there's some grass and things up there and that's where I was at. I couldn't tell you exactly where I was, see, it's hard to explain. I walked away from the other guys because they were all in front of the building. I crossed the street to get a closer view.
Mr. BALL. You walked which direction?
Mr. ARCE. I just--right across the street.
Mr. BALL. Right across Elm Street?
Mr. ARCE. Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL. The part of Elm that dead ends there?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. You crossed that and went on to the grassy part?
Mr. ARCE. Uh-huh.
OK, that is a lot of reference to grass, so let's see where we can find some.
Now, he said he crossed the street and got to some grass, but as you can see, there is no grass east of the monument. It's all paved except for the dirt around the tree, and I don't think he was talking about that. There is no grass there. It means that he had to go west of the monument to get to some grass. Here's another good image:
The grass starts just to the left of that image. You see the path which takes you to the pergola, and you see the sidewalk of Elm Street. The grass starts right past there on our left.
And that's how I recall it too from having been there.
So, did he cross the utility road to get to Elm proper and then walk westward past the monument to get to the grassy area? So it seems.
He said he was on the sidewalk and then he walked "up" to the grass to get a higher view. He walked "up. That's what he said. Up.
And it is steep there, as I recall. That's why they call it a "knoll". A knoll is a small hill.
So, I think we have to presume that he was on the Grassy Knoll but not down towards the bottom. He was still relatively east, east of the pergola. But, he was high up, and therefore close to the fence.
So, that gives us an idea of where he claimed to be.
Now, shouldn't he be visible in some of the motorcade footages which show the grassy area?
So, we need to look for him, and I have started looking for him, but I haven't found him. And I don't expect to find him. And that's because I don't think he was there. I think he was in front of Dal-Tex building.
Now, if you don't think that's Danny Arce, you have to admit that he looks like Danny Arce and he's dressed like Danny Arce.
The only way to deny it is to play the Coincidence card. Are you sure you've got that in your hand?
Mr. ARCE. I was down to the west side, a little more to the west.
Mr. BALL. Were you west of the building itself?
Mr. BALL. You were not in front of the building?
Mr. ARCE. I was directly in front, but then I walked a few steps down to the west side.
Mr. BALL. Where were you with reference to the west wall of the building?
Mr. ARCE. Oh, I was way far from it. I was across the street, I mean.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean "across the street"?
Mr. ARCE. Well, there's a little sidewalk right across the street and there's some grass and things up there and that's where I was at. I couldn't tell you exactly where I was, see, it's hard to explain. I walked away from the other guys because they were all in front of the building. I crossed the street to get a closer view.
Mr. BALL. You walked which direction?
Mr. ARCE. I just--right across the street.
Mr. BALL. Right across Elm Street?
Mr. ARCE. Uh-huh.
Mr. BALL. The part of Elm that dead ends there?
Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
Mr. BALL. You crossed that and went on to the grassy part?
Mr. ARCE. Uh-huh.
OK, that is a lot of reference to grass, so let's see where we can find some.
Now, he said he crossed the street and got to some grass, but as you can see, there is no grass east of the monument. It's all paved except for the dirt around the tree, and I don't think he was talking about that. There is no grass there. It means that he had to go west of the monument to get to some grass. Here's another good image:
The grass starts just to the left of that image. You see the path which takes you to the pergola, and you see the sidewalk of Elm Street. The grass starts right past there on our left.
And that's how I recall it too from having been there.
He said he was on the sidewalk and then he walked "up" to the grass to get a higher view. He walked "up. That's what he said. Up.
And it is steep there, as I recall. That's why they call it a "knoll". A knoll is a small hill.
So, I think we have to presume that he was on the Grassy Knoll but not down towards the bottom. He was still relatively east, east of the pergola. But, he was high up, and therefore close to the fence.
So, that gives us an idea of where he claimed to be.
Now, shouldn't he be visible in some of the motorcade footages which show the grassy area?
So, we need to look for him, and I have started looking for him, but I haven't found him. And I don't expect to find him. And that's because I don't think he was there. I think he was in front of Dal-Tex building.
Now, if you don't think that's Danny Arce, you have to admit that he looks like Danny Arce and he's dressed like Danny Arce.
The only way to deny it is to play the Coincidence card. Are you sure you've got that in your hand?
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