There are many strange aspects to Harry D Holmes' various parts in this case but perhaps the strangest is his attendance and participation in Oswald's final interview. In his testimony, he referred to it thus: "I presume my next part in connection with this was when I joined the interrogation period of Oswald on Sunday morning of November 24 at about 9:30 a.m." He went on to say that he had driven to church with his wife but that after dropping her there he suddenly decided to return to the police station (City Hall) where he simply walked in and saw Captain Fritz. He claimed that Fritz said:
"We are getting ready to have a last interrogation with Oswald before we transfer him to the county jail. Would you like to join us?"Holmes replied: "I would."Now what exactly is that all about? Why did the Chief of Homicide invite a Dallas Postal Inspector to attend such an important session? The other people present were Local Agent in Charge Forrest V. Sorrels and Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, both of the Secret Service, and, dependent on whose testimony you believe, either three or four Homicide Detectives whose job was solely to guard Oswald. The interview took place in Captain Fritz' office, room 317 at City Hall. It seems to have been readily accepted that no record was kept of this interview or of any of the previous Oswald interviews. Indeed, when Captain Fritz was questioned on this by the Warren Commission's Mr Ball, he mentioned that several unsuccessful attempts had been made to obtain a tape recorder. Amazingly, however, some very detailed and comprehensive notes were taken of that final interview - by none other than our friend Harry D Holmes. Now why he took it upon himself to do this is as much a mystery as why he was present in the first place. You will find Holmes' notes of the interview not once, but twice in the 26 Volumes! Firstly, they appear as Commission Exhibit 2064 on pages 488 to 492 of Volume 24. They also appear as Holmes Exhibit No. 4 between pages 177 and 181 of Volume 20. As if that is not enough, Holmes' notes are even reproduced under the title "Report of U.S. Postal Inspector H. D. Holmes" as part of Appendix XI of the Warren Commission Report (pages 633 to 637). Holmes did not just sit there recording notes. He also took an active part in the interview, asking many questions of Oswald - particularly regarding his use of post office boxes. The interrogation seemed to go on for longer than Fritz had anticipated it would - indeed, in his testimony he stated that he had intended closing it at 10:00. As we know, it went on for a further hour.Holmes later stated in a June 1989 interview with Postal Inspector David McDermott that Chief Curry "was beating on the door". Obviously, had the session ended at 10 o'clock or shortly afterwards, and Oswald's transfer had then been put into motion, we would not have had Mr Ruby waiting in the basement with his little gun.
So, they, reportedly, got Oswald from his jail cell at 9:30. The jail transfer was scheduled for 10. They knew that reporters and cameramen were gathered in the basement, waiting for it and expecting it to happen on time. But, they found it necessary to conduct Oswald's last interview for nearly 2 hours?
James Bookhout, in his WC testimony, stated repeatedly that the Oswald interrogations lasted no more than one hour and usually less than an hour.
Mr. STERN - Can you tell us approximately how long this Saturday morning interview took?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, that would be approximately an hour. No interview that I participated in lasted over an hour.
That was a tricky answer because Bookhout was at the final interview which lasted almost 2 hours. But, according to him, he arrived a little late, after it had begun, and so he just watched it through the glass partition of Fritz' office, not wanting to disturb anyone.
Are you buying that? Because I'm not buying it. I don't think he would have hesitated to enter because it would not have been that disruptive. In the Fritz' Notes, Fritz listed the people who attended that final interview, and then he put "et al". So, was Bookhout among the et al? I think Bookhout was at the interview but didn't want to admit it.
But, my point is that that last interview was exceptionally long. Fritz didn't write a single word about what was said. And according to Bookhout, he asked Fritz if anything important came out, and Fritz said not a thing. Nothing? Then why was it extended for so long?
I would argue that it was extended for so long because what they were really doing was: WAITING FOR RUBY TO GET THERE. They knew what was going to happen. Ruby didn't know, but they did. As I showed last night, Ruby's final interview before his death demonstrated that, even if you think he shot Oswald which I don't, that he couldn't possibly have had any premeditation about it, that it was a spontaneous, spur-of-the-moment impulse.
So, Ruby was late, and they waited for him. And then they had to do it over with Bookhout after Ruby was taken away.
But, let's look further at how Ruby wound up there. According to him, he did not leave his apartment with the intention of going to the jail transfer, that he only went to the jail transfer from having seen the crowd gathered on Main Street on his way to the Western Union office.
So, the first question is: how did he wind up going to the WU office? That, reportedly, was provoked by the need of his dancer for cash.
The stripper's name was Karen Carlin, and her stage name as a stripper was "Little Lynn". As you can see, she was a real cutie.
You can watch this interview of her, though she doesn't say much, just that Jack Ruby was a very nervous person, but he was always nice to her.
Karen Carlin continued stripping in Dallas until September 1964, when she retired from stripping forever, according to her, and then disappeared. And shortly after that, she was reported dead by none other than Penn Jones. But actually, she lived until 2010, dying in Michigan. So, why the dis-info about her death? Some believe that she entered a government witness protection program, and reporting her dead was part of the protection.
Karen Carlin was more than a stripper to Ruby; she had been a consort of his. He took her with him on trips that he made to Santos Trafficante in Florida. The following is by Michael Collins Piper in Final Judgment:
Santo Trafficante, Jr. - Although best known as the head of the Mafia in Tampa, Trafficante actually functioned as Meyer Lansky's chief lieutenant in the crime syndicate and as Lansky's liaison with the CIA in the Castro assassination plots.Ruby has been falsely tied to Sam Giancana and the Chicago Mob. He was actually tied to Meyer Lansky and the Florida Mob. He spent much of the 1950s in Florida running guns to Cuba for Lansky and the CIA.
By November 1963, Karen Carlin was married, and her husband's name was Scott Carlin. Her maiden name was Bennett. He was a regular at Ruby's club too, and some say he was a pimp.
Reportedly, Karen called Ruby on Saturday evening and twice on Sunday morning, pleading with him to wire her money for "rent and groceries."
Let's consider that that is what placed Ruby at the location of the jail transfer. So, was this done to get him there? Did someone put her up to doing it? Suffice it to say that suspicions about Karen Carlin abound to this day. You can read her WC testimony here:
Do you remember in The Godfather that when they wanted to lure Sonny Corleone out to kill him, they had his brother-in-law beat up Sonny's sister, to whom he was married, just so that Sonny would go out to get the guy to beat him up or kill him. So, was this something like that?
But, let's be realistic: If someone was steering Jack Ruby to that basement garage for the jail transfer, they wouldn't have just gotten him to the WU office and then left the rest up to him. Don't you think that someone else had to talk to Ruby and coax him to go to the jail office? Who could that have been? And was it someone on the spot? I am wondering if they had someone at the Western Union office to coax Ruby.
Ruby said that when he entered the WU office, there was one other customer before him, and the attendant. So, was the customer or the attendant involved in coaxing Ruby to go to the jail office?
Here's something interesting: a timeline of Jack Ruby's activities over the course of 11/22-11/24. Much of it is based on Earl Gertz' book, Moment of Madness:
According to this timeline, Ruby left his apartment with Sheba in the car. He first went to look at the wreaths that had been placed for JFK in Dealey Plaza. Then he went to a restaurant called Eatwell for breakfast. Then he went to the WU office, and the attendant there was Doyle Lane. You can read Doyle Lane's testimony here:
I'm saying that I don't believe it was a coincidence that Ruby wound up a block away from the DPD that Sunday morning. That had to be a setup. But, it wasn't enough. They wouldn't have just hoped and prayed that placing him that close would spur him to complete the last leg on his own. Somebody had to put him up to going to the garage. But, who was it?