Monday, November 9, 2015

David Von Pein 
Nov 7
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For Pete sake, Ralph, you seem to be all over the map on this thing. One
minute you're claiming that Fritz' note where he writes "out with Bill
Shelley in front" is "the most important piece of evidence to be
discovered in the JFK assassination since November 22, 1963" [R. Cinque;
10/31/15]. And practically in your next breath you say "Fritz said nothing
about "out with Bill Shelley in front" and Bookhout did" [R. Cinque;
11/6/15].

What gives, Ralph?

I'm guessing that you're talking about Fritz not putting that specific
"out with Shelley" note in his longer, typed report that we find on WCR
Page 600, right?

But regardless of whether the note referencing "Shelley" was transferred
to Fritz' final report or not, Fritz still DID write "out with Shelley" in
his notes. And Bookhout's report aligns with Fritz' "Shelley" note, with
Bookhout filling in more of the details about what Oswald *MEANT* when the
topic of "out with Bill Shelley in front" came up during Captain Fritz'
interrogation of Lee Oswald.

Bookhout's report on Page 619 of the Warren Report makes it quite clear
that when Oswald told Fritz that he "went outside and stood around for
five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelley", Oswald was unquestionably
referring to a point in time that was AFTER the assassination of President
Kennedy and also definitely AFTER the second-floor lunchroom encounter
that Oswald had with Marrion Baker and Roy Truly as well.

Why keep banging your head against a brick wall on this "Shelley" thing,
Ralph? James Bookhout's report completely debunks your theory about Oswald
being "out with Bill Shelley in front" at exactly 12:30 PM CST on November
22, 1963. 

Ralph Cinque:

What gives? What gives out is your ability to reason. What I meant (which I thought was obvious) is that after writing down "out with Bill Shelley" in his notes, Will Fritz never mentioned it in his formal report or in his testimony. He never repeated it. He hid it.

So, Fritz buried it while Bookhout resorted to a different tactic; he revised it, pushing the time back to after the assassination when Oswald was leaving for home. 

How many times do I have to tell you that Bill Shelley was not out front when Oswald left for home? Shelley left the front immediately after the assassination. That is not in doubt. Shelley said so himself. And then he went around to the back and reentered the building that way. At 12:33-12:34 Bill Shelley was definitely NOT out in front, so Oswald could not possibly have seen him nor been talking to him. 

And for Bookhout to add 5 or 10 minutes of chatting is all the more ridiculous, as there wasn't time. Oswald had to walk 7 blocks before boarding a bus which he did before 12:45. Besides, if Oswald lingered in front of the TSBD for that long, how is it that nobody else saw him? Furthermore, if Oswald was escaping from the scene of his crime, why would he linger at all? What Bookhout wrote speaks of Oswald not having a care in the world rather than running for his life. 

How dare you suggest that I am obliged to accept what that lying James Bookhout said? He was a lying FBI agent, and he didn't even put those words in Oswald's mouth until after Oswald was dead. How come the joint report of Hosty and Bookhout said nothing about "out with Bill Shelley in front"? They both heard it. 

But, Oswald was still alive then. But, once Oswald was dead, they could twist it any way they wanted, and Bookhout did.

"Out with Bill Shelley in front" was Oswald's alibi- for the shooting. He didn't need an alibi for being out front after the shooting. Why did it matter whom he saw when he left for home? No crime was being committed then. He needed an alibi for the shooting, which they would have solicited and which he would have volunteered. Do you see any other alibi in there? If "out with Bill Shelley in front" was not his alibi, then he didn't give one, which means that they didn't ask for one. And that is ridiculous. They accused; he denied; and that brings you to the alibi; each and every time. 

Out with Bill Shelley in front. It's what Oswald said, and it's where Oswald was DURING THE SHOOTING. Read Larry Rivera because he has proven it in spades.

http://oswaldinthedoorway.blogspot.com/2015/11/oic-chairman-larry-rivera-has-done-it.html

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