It's not that I expected her to be utterly distraught and beside herself with grief after 2 months, but her calmness and comfort seem very displaced. It seems to me that talking about it, dredging it up, reliving it in her mind, would illicit some emotions, some difficulty, some strain. But, there's none of that. She could have been talking about the weather.
Mr. RANKIN. Did your husband continue to call you daily from Dallas after he got his job?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he tell you what be was doing?
Mrs. OSWALD. Usually he would call me during the lunch break, and the second time after he was finished work, and he told me that he was reading. that he was watching television, and sometimes I told him that he should not stay in his room too much, that he should go for a walk in the park.
So, Oswald was calling his wife twice a day up until the end. And remember, this was before the ease and convenience of cell phones. He was obviously very devoted to her, as he was to his kids. Also, I find it noteworthy that when he wasn't working, he was in his room, reading or watching tv. Notice he didn't mention anything about spycraft. He wasn't going to any meetings. I increasingly have the feeling that: Oswald the spy, Oswald the CIA agent, and even Oswald the informant have been greatly exaggerated. He really was mostly Oswald the patsy.
Next, there was some questioning pertaining to her treatment from the Secret Service and FBI agents who were in effect living with her for 2 months. She was asked if she was treated well, etc., and she said she was, that she had no complaints. Well actually, she said the FBI agents were a little gruff.
But, I am simply going to repeat what I was told by OIC senior member Pat Shannan, who was a close friend of Madeleine Brown, who became a close friend to Marina. Marina told Madeleine who told Pat that agents were having sex with Marina- although I don't know if it was allegedly FBI, SS, or both. Of course, none of that came out in her testimony.
Mr. RANKIN. Now, it has been claimed that Mrs. Ruth Paine tried to see you at various times and was unable to do so. Can you tell us about that?
Mrs. OSWALD. She is trying very hard to come to see me, but I have no desire to meet with her. I think that she is trying to do that for herself, rather than for me.
So, apparently, the falling out with Ruth Paine happened right away, and it's lasted for 52 years, and counting. I don't know what caused Marina to shun Ruth Paine, but I sure wish I could find out.
Marguerite didn't fare any better:
Mr. RANKIN. Will you describe to us your relationship with your mother-in-law now?
Mrs. OSWALD. After all of this happened I met with her at the police station. I was, of course, very sorry for her as Lee's mother. I was always sorry for her because Lee did not want to live with her.
I understood her motherly concern. But in view of the fact of everything that happened later, her appearances in the radio, in the press, I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers. I do not accuse her, but I think that part of the guilt in connection with what happened with Lee lies with her because he did not perhaps receive the education he should have during his childhood, and he did not have any correct leadership on her part, guidance. If she were in contact with my children now, I do not want her to cripple them.
Marina said that the first time she visited Lee in jail, Ruth Paine went with her. Why? And why would Dallas police allow it?
Mr. RANKIN. He did go to Irving the weekend of November 15-17, That would be the weekend before the assassination, to refresh your memory again.
Mrs. OSWALD. You see, this is why I was not surprised that he didn't come that he came, rather, he had not come on Friday and Saturday, and on Sunday I called him over the telephone and this is when he had a quarrel over the fictitious name.
By the way, he didn't come because I told him not to come. He had wanted to come, he had telephoned.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you tell him about not coming?
Mrs. OSWALD. That he shouldn't come every week, that perhaps it is not convenient for Ruth that the whole family be there, live there.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he say anything about that?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said, "As you wish. If you don't want me to come, I won't."
The reason I posted that is because he wanted to come; she told him not to; and he was agreeable about it. So, how could discussing whether or not to return to Russia provoke a beating?
Mr. RANKIN. Now, the weekend of November 15th to 17th, which was the weekend before the assassination, do you know what your husband did or how he spent that weekend while he was in Dallas?
Mrs OSWALD. No, I don't.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether he took the rifle before he went into Dallas, that trip, for that weekend?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know. I think that he took the rifle on Thursday when he came the next time, but I didn't see him take it. I assume that. I cannot know it.
Mrs OSWALD. No, I don't.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether he took the rifle before he went into Dallas, that trip, for that weekend?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know. I think that he took the rifle on Thursday when he came the next time, but I didn't see him take it. I assume that. I cannot know it.
So now we are supposed to believe that Oswald moved that rifle in and out of the garage repeatedly, that he did it on the 21st and 22nd without her or Ruth Paine knowing, but other times as well. Then why did Oswald store it there? He wasn't doing any shooting in Irving. Why didn't he keep his rifle in his room in Dallas? Oswald denied owning a rifle, and I believe him.
And why was Marina making those assumptions? If she didn't see Oswald take the rifle, then she didn't know whether he took it. Period. She said she assumed it. But why assume? Because she thought that is what they wanted to hear.
They ventured into the Hidell alias, but she wasn't very helpful. What they didn't ask her about but should have was his identity in Russia. He went by "Alec" in Russia, and Marina knew him as "Alec." And then we have "Alec Hidell". Notice a pattern? I should think they would have talked about that.
Here's something strange:
Mr. RANKIN. Did he tell you he was coming Thursday?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
It's one thing if it was his house or even her house, but it was Ruth Paine's house. Who shows up at someone's house uninvited expecting to sleep over? He wasn't even on a first name basis with Mrs. Paine.
She said later that Lee called her twice a day from work routinely. So, why didn't he mention that he was coming?
She said later that Lee called her twice a day from work routinely. So, why didn't he mention that he was coming?
Now, what follows is good stuff; gets to the heart of what happened on Thursday night:
Mr. RANKIN. Did your husband give any reason for coming home on Thursday?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that he was lonely because he hadn't come the preceding weekend, and he wanted to make his peace with me.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him then?
Mrs. OSWALD. He tried to talk to me but I would not answer him, and he was very upset.
Mr. RANKIN. Were you upset with him?
Mrs. OSWALD. I was angry, of course. He was not angry--he was upset. I was angry. He tried very hard to please me. He spent quite a bit of time putting away diapers and played with the children on the street.
Mr. RANKIN. How did you indicate to him that you were angry with him?
Mrs. OSWALD. By not talking to him.
Mr. RANKIN. And how did he show that he was upset?
Mrs. OSWALD. He was upset over the fact that I would not answer him. He tried to start a conversation with me several times, but I would not answer. And he said that he didn't want me to be angry at him because this upsets him.On that day, he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow--that he didn't want me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in Dallas.
He repeated this not once but several times, but I refused. And he said that once again I was preferring my friends to him, and that I didn't need him.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. I said it would be better if I remained with Ruth until the holidays, he would come, and we would all meet together. That this was better because while he was living alone and I stayed with Ruth, we were spending less money. And I told him to buy me a washing machine, because two children it became too difficult to wash by hand.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said he would buy me a washing machine.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. Thank you. That it would be better if he bought something for himself--that I would manage.
Mr. RANKIN. Did this seem to make him more upset, when you suggested that he wait about getting an apartment for you to live in?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He then stopped talking and sat down and watched television and then went to bed. I went to bed later. It was about 9 o'clock when he went to sleep. I went to sleep about 11:30. But it seemed to me that he was not really asleep. But I didn't talk to him.
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that he was lonely because he hadn't come the preceding weekend, and he wanted to make his peace with me.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him then?
Mrs. OSWALD. He tried to talk to me but I would not answer him, and he was very upset.
Mr. RANKIN. Were you upset with him?
Mrs. OSWALD. I was angry, of course. He was not angry--he was upset. I was angry. He tried very hard to please me. He spent quite a bit of time putting away diapers and played with the children on the street.
Mr. RANKIN. How did you indicate to him that you were angry with him?
Mrs. OSWALD. By not talking to him.
Mr. RANKIN. And how did he show that he was upset?
Mrs. OSWALD. He was upset over the fact that I would not answer him. He tried to start a conversation with me several times, but I would not answer. And he said that he didn't want me to be angry at him because this upsets him.On that day, he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow--that he didn't want me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in Dallas.
He repeated this not once but several times, but I refused. And he said that once again I was preferring my friends to him, and that I didn't need him.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. I said it would be better if I remained with Ruth until the holidays, he would come, and we would all meet together. That this was better because while he was living alone and I stayed with Ruth, we were spending less money. And I told him to buy me a washing machine, because two children it became too difficult to wash by hand.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said he would buy me a washing machine.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. Thank you. That it would be better if he bought something for himself--that I would manage.
Mr. RANKIN. Did this seem to make him more upset, when you suggested that he wait about getting an apartment for you to live in?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He then stopped talking and sat down and watched television and then went to bed. I went to bed later. It was about 9 o'clock when he went to sleep. I went to sleep about 11:30. But it seemed to me that he was not really asleep. But I didn't talk to him.
Alright, so he was upset; she was angry, blah, blah, blah. But, I'm not hearing anything hear to make me think that he was violent or out of control. He traveled to Irving on a weekday night hoping for a positive response from her. He didn't get it. But, he didn't blow up. I don't see his fuse being that short.
Mrs. Oswald: In the morning he got up, said goodbye, and left, and that I shouldn't get up--as always, I did not get up to prepare breakfast. This was quite usual. And then after I fed Rachel, I took a look to see whether Lee was here, but he had already gone. This was already after the police had come. Ruth told me that in the evening she had worked in the garage and she knows that she had put out the light but that the light was on later--that the light was on in the morning. And she guessed that Lee was in the garage. But I didn't see it.
This idea that Oswald snuck into the garage to tend to the rifle and then accidentally left the light on is NOT tenable. It's not that it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. In that instance, turning out the light to cover his tracks would have been at the front of his mind. Of course, I don't think he was in the garage at all, but as a story, it is untenable.
But wait: Marina's account of it was opposite to Ruth Paine's. Ruth Paine said that she went out into the garage at 9 PM to paint some blocks for her children, and she found the light already on- which was unexpected. But, according to Marina, nothing untoward happened that evening, but the next morning, Ruth found the light on in the garage. They're different stories, so which was it?
Despite this discrepancy, the Warren Report made it that Oswald did his dirty dealings in the garage between 8 and 9 PM.
Mrs. OSWALD. I said that I saw--for the first and last time I saw the rifle about a week after I had come to Mrs. Paine. But, as I said, the rifle was wrapped in a blanket, and I was sure when the police had come that the rifle was still in the blanket, because it was all rolled together. And, therefore, when they took the blanket and the rifle was not in it, I was very much surprised.
Now that is impossible. Nobody could see an empty blanket and think there's a gun in it. Throw a blanket on the floor. Fuss and muss it however you want. There is no chance that you- or anyone else on Earth- could think that it contains a rifle. IT IS PREPOSTEROUS!
Mr. RANKIN. Could you describe for the Commission the place in the garage where the rifle was located?
Mrs. OSWALD. When you enter the garage from the street it was in the front part, the left.
Mr. RANKIN. By the left you mean left of the door?
Mrs. OSWALD. It is an overhead door and the rifle was to the left, on the floor.
It was always in the same place.
Mr. RANKIN. Was there anything else close to the rifle that you recall?
Mrs. OSWALD. Next to it there were some next to the rifle there were some suitcases and Ruth had some paper barrels in the garage where the kids used to play.
Mrs. OSWALD. When you enter the garage from the street it was in the front part, the left.
Mr. RANKIN. By the left you mean left of the door?
Mrs. OSWALD. It is an overhead door and the rifle was to the left, on the floor.
It was always in the same place.
Mr. RANKIN. Was there anything else close to the rifle that you recall?
Mrs. OSWALD. Next to it there were some next to the rifle there were some suitcases and Ruth had some paper barrels in the garage where the kids used to play.
Doesn't it seem like in two months time, Ruth Paine would have seen it? And her husband Michael claimed to see it repeatedly, and handle it repeatedly, and relocate it repeatedly, all the while thinking it was a folding shovel or tent poles.
(Memo to Michael Paine: You're a lying bastard and a bloodied Kennedy-killer.)
Mr. RANKIN. Did you believe that the reason for his coming out to see you Thursday was to make up?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think there were two reasons. One was to make up with me, and the other to take the rifle. This is--this, of course, is not irreconcilable.
Mr. RANKIN. But you think he came to take the rifle because of what you learned since. Is that it?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, of course.
Mrs. OSWALD. I think there were two reasons. One was to make up with me, and the other to take the rifle. This is--this, of course, is not irreconcilable.
Mr. RANKIN. But you think he came to take the rifle because of what you learned since. Is that it?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, of course.
Ah-hah, Rankin should have kept his mouth shut. Why get her to admit that she was only saying it because she was told it?
But, what Marina said makes NO SENSE. How you can combine wanting to make up with your wife and wanting to kill the President of the United States, the Leader of the Free World into one evening's mindset? You would really have to be insane to be harboring those two concerns at the exact same time.
Mr. RANKIN. How did your husband get along with Mrs. Paine?
Mrs. OSWALD. He was polite to her, as an acquaintance would be, but he didn't like her. He told me that he detested her--a tall and stupid woman. She is, of course, not too smart, but most people aren't.
Mrs. OSWALD. He was polite to her, as an acquaintance would be, but he didn't like her. He told me that he detested her--a tall and stupid woman. She is, of course, not too smart, but most people aren't.
From New Orleans, Marine had written to Ruth describing her as her best friend in the world. My how the pendulum swings.
Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine say anything about your husband?
Mrs. OSWALD. She didn't say anything bad. I don't know what she thought. But she didn't say anything bad.
Perhaps she didn't like something about him, but she didn't tell me. She didn't want to hurt me by saying anything bad.
Mrs. OSWALD. She didn't say anything bad. I don't know what she thought. But she didn't say anything bad.
Perhaps she didn't like something about him, but she didn't tell me. She didn't want to hurt me by saying anything bad.
Ruth Paine certainly said plenty bad about him in her testimony, the two-faced bitch.
Mr. RANKIN. Did the quarrel that you had at that time seem to cause him to be more disturbed than usual?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, not particularly. At least he didn't talk about that quarrel when he came. Usually he would remember about what happened. This time he didn't blame me for anything, didn't ask me any questions, just wanted to make up.
Mrs. OSWALD. No, not particularly. At least he didn't talk about that quarrel when he came. Usually he would remember about what happened. This time he didn't blame me for anything, didn't ask me any questions, just wanted to make up.
You would think that a guy who was planning to kill the President of the United States the next day would seem pretty damn disturbed.
Rankin kept pushing the idea that Oswald must have been upset, and she seemed to resist. Finally, Rankin just put it bluntly:
Mr. RANKIN. Do you think that had anything to do with the assassination the next day?
Ha, ha, ha. I have to laugh because it's so easy to read Rankin's mind. He's leading the witness. It's flagrant witness-leading. Of course, no one is objecting. And Marina is trying to please; she is trying to deliver- as best she can.
Mrs. OSWALD. Perhaps he was thinking about all of that. I don't think that he was asleep. Because, in the morning when the alarm clock went off he hadn't woken up as usual before the alarm went off, and I thought that he had probably fallen asleep very late. At least then I didn't think about it. Now I think so.
She's shucking; she's jiving; she is trying to formulate something that Rankin will like. But, it sounds to me like Oswald was sleeping pretty soundly until the alarm went off.
Mr. RANKIN. When he said he would not be home that Friday evening, did you ask him why?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that since he was home on Thursday, that it wouldn't make any sense to come again on Friday, that he would come for the weekend.
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that since he was home on Thursday, that it wouldn't make any sense to come again on Friday, that he would come for the weekend.
Isn't Friday evening the start of the weekend? So what did he mean? That he was going to come Saturday morning? But, didn't he think his President-killing would interfere with that? The whole thing makes no sense.
I consider this big, so let's make it big:
Mr. RANKIN. What about his breakfast? Do you know what he had for breakfast ordinarily?
Mrs. OSWALD. He never had breakfast. He just drank coffee and that is all.
Mrs. OSWALD. He never had breakfast. He just drank coffee and that is all.
Oswald ate no breakfast! No breakfast, no breakfast, no breakfast! That means he didn't eat anything the morning of 22nd. And he worked all morning. So, when the lunch whistle blew at 11:45, wouldn't he be ready to eat? Why would he put off eating until 12:30 only to miss the motorcade? It's ridiculous. There is no reason to think that he didn't start eating by Noon or before.
Mrs. OSWALD. I asked Lee whether he knew where the President would speak, and told him that I would very much like to hear him and to see him. I asked him how this could be done.
But he said he didn't know how to do that, and didn't enlarge any further on that subject.
But he said he didn't know how to do that, and didn't enlarge any further on that subject.
I'll point out that the presumption of the lonenutters is that Oswald watched the motorcade alright- from the 6th floor window. That is preposterous, but, the claim of some CTs that Oswald just wasn't interested in seeing Kennedy, that he preferred to eat or drink or do nothing rather than see Kennedy- angers me much more. I have nothing but contempt for those bloodied phonies.
Oswald was very political. Oswald was married to a Soviet woman, and he had lived in the Soviet Union, with whom we almost went to war, if not for Kennedy. The very night before, his wife expressed her desire to see Kennedy. Oswald read books just because Kennedy read them- or wrote them. OSWALD WAS GOING TO VIEW KENNEDY. For Christ's sake, there is no reason to think otherwise.
Oswald actually translated articles into Russian for her about Kennedy.
Mr. RANKIN. What did he say about President Kennedy's father making his fortune?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that he had speculated in wine. I don't know to what extent that is true.
Mr. RANKIN. When he read these articles to you, did he comment favorably upon President Kennedy?
Mrs. OSWALD. I have already said that he would translate articles which were good.
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that he had speculated in wine. I don't know to what extent that is true.
Mr. RANKIN. When he read these articles to you, did he comment favorably upon President Kennedy?
Mrs. OSWALD. I have already said that he would translate articles which were good.
Still think Oswald preferred to get change for a Coke when Kennedy drove by, Robert Groden? Of course you do, you fucking Op. You don't fool me. You're a fraud, Groden. You've been working for the other side all along. And what you did in service to the HSCA in the 1970s set the JFK truth movement back 40 years. Ptoi.
Mrs. OSWALD. Excuse me. At least when I found out that Lee had shot at the President, for me this was surprising. And I didn't believe it. I didn't believe for a long time that Lee had done that.
Mr. RANKIN. Why did you not believe this?
Mrs. OSWALD. Because I had never heard anything bad about Kennedy from Lee. And he never had anything against him.
Mrs. OSWALD. Because I had never heard anything bad about Kennedy from Lee. And he never had anything against him.
That is self-explanatory, and how.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he say anything at all that would indicate he was contemplating the assassination?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Now you see, that was stupid on Rankin's part. What do they always say about smart lawyers? That they never ask questions in court without knowing the answers. Well, he should NOT have asked that question unless he had solid reason to believe that she was going to answer yes.
Now here is something big:
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I woke up before him, and I then went to the kitchen to see whether he had had breakfast or not-- whether he had already left for work. But the coffee pot was cold and Lee was not there.
And when I met Ruth that morning, I asked her whether Lee had had coffee or not, and she said probably, perhaps he had made himself some instant coffee.
But probably he hadn't had any breakfast that morning.
And when I met Ruth that morning, I asked her whether Lee had had coffee or not, and she said probably, perhaps he had made himself some instant coffee.
But probably he hadn't had any breakfast that morning.
Previously, she said he NEVER ate breakfast, which apparently included that morning. But, what about his lunch? I find it hard to believe that Oswald would help himself to Ruth's provisions. Without asking?
Marina never saw the paper bag:
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see a paper bag or cover for the rifle at the Paine's residence or garage?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see a bag at any time?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
This certainly doesn't serve the official story:
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether your husband carried any package with him when he left the house on November 22nd?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he had a package with his lunch. But a small package.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether he had any package like a rifle in some container?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mrs. OSWALD. I think that he had a package with his lunch. But a small package.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know whether he had any package like a rifle in some container?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
This is absurd:
Mr. RANKIN. How did you learn of the shooting of President Kennedy?
Mrs. OSWALD. I was watching television, and Ruth by that time was already with me, and she said someone had shot at the President.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say?
Mrs. OSWALD. It was hard for me to say anything. We both turned pale. I went to my room and cried.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you think immediately that your husband might have been involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine say anything about the possibility of your husband being involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, but she only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."
My heart dropped. I then went to the garage to see whether the rifle was there, and I saw that the blanket was still there, and I said, "Thank God."
Mr. RANKIN. Then what happened?
Mrs. OSWALD. They began to search the apartment. When they came to the garage and took the blanket, I thought, "Well, now, they will find it." They opened the blanket but there was no rifle there.
Mrs. OSWALD. I was watching television, and Ruth by that time was already with me, and she said someone had shot at the President.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you say?
Mrs. OSWALD. It was hard for me to say anything. We both turned pale. I went to my room and cried.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you think immediately that your husband might have been involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mr. RANKIN. Did Mrs. Paine say anything about the possibility of your husband being involved?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, but she only said that "By the way, they fired from the building in which Lee is working."
My heart dropped. I then went to the garage to see whether the rifle was there, and I saw that the blanket was still there, and I said, "Thank God."
By the way? BY THE WAY? How could Ruth Paine have said that? It's a flippant expression. And again, the idea that Marina saw an empty blanket and took it for one that contained a rifle is preposterous. Rifles don't get lost in blankets.
Mr. RANKIN. When did you learn that the rifle was not in the blanket?
Mrs. OSWALD. When the police arrived and asked whether my husband had a rifle, and I said "Yes."Mr. RANKIN. Then what happened?
Mrs. OSWALD. They began to search the apartment. When they came to the garage and took the blanket, I thought, "Well, now, they will find it." They opened the blanket but there was no rifle there.
Zero credibility.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you have any idea of the motive which induced your husband to kill the President?
Mrs. OSWALD. From everything that I know about my husband, and of the events that transpired, I can conclude that he wanted in any way, whether good or bad, to do something that would make him outstanding, that he would be known in history.
Again: zero credibility. She described the night before as being totally domestic: preoccupied with their domestic interests. And she said he wasn't agitated and not particularly disturbed. What if someone had asked her then whether her husband was about to do something maniacal to gain fame? What would she have said? What she said sounds to me like a programmed response. It is what they drilled into her.
It makes no sense for a guy who was worried about getting his wife clothes and his daughter shoes and why they should all resume living together in Dallas to also harbor such deranged, demonic thoughts.
She said that the police wouldn't let her see him until the 23rd.
Mr. RANKIN. When you saw your husband on November 23d, the day after the assassination, did you have a conversation with him?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. And where did this occur?
Mrs. OSWALD. In the police department.
Mr. RANKIN. Were just the two of you together at that time?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, the mother was there together with me.
Mr. RANKIN. At that time what did you say to him and what did he say to you?
Mrs. OSWALD. You probably know better than I do what I told him.
Mr. RANKIN. Well, I need your best recollection, if you can give it to us, Mrs. Oswald.
Mrs. OSWALD. Of course he tried to console me that I should not worry, that everything would turn out well. He asked about how the children were. He spoke of some friends who supposedly would help him. I don't know who he had in mind. That he had written to someone in New York before that. I was so upset that of course I didn't understand anything of that. It was simply talk.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him then?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told him that the police had been there and that a search had been conducted, that they had asked me whether we had a rifle, and I had answered yes.
And he said that if there would be a trial. and that if I am questioned it would be my right to answer or to refuse to answer.
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. And where did this occur?
Mrs. OSWALD. In the police department.
Mr. RANKIN. Were just the two of you together at that time?
Mrs. OSWALD. No, the mother was there together with me.
Mr. RANKIN. At that time what did you say to him and what did he say to you?
Mrs. OSWALD. You probably know better than I do what I told him.
Mr. RANKIN. Well, I need your best recollection, if you can give it to us, Mrs. Oswald.
Mrs. OSWALD. Of course he tried to console me that I should not worry, that everything would turn out well. He asked about how the children were. He spoke of some friends who supposedly would help him. I don't know who he had in mind. That he had written to someone in New York before that. I was so upset that of course I didn't understand anything of that. It was simply talk.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him then?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told him that the police had been there and that a search had been conducted, that they had asked me whether we had a rifle, and I had answered yes.
And he said that if there would be a trial. and that if I am questioned it would be my right to answer or to refuse to answer.
God-damn it to Hell!!!! This makes no sense. The first thing she would have asked him upon seeing him was whether he did it. And the first thing he would have said to her upon seeing her is that he didn't.
Look: Rankin asked her: "What did he say to you?" And she gave a long-winded, wishy-washy answer. So, he should have followed it up with:
Mr. Rankin: Did he admit killing the President? Or did he deny it? He must have done one or the other. And it must have been the first thing out of his mouth. So, which was it, Mrs. Oswald?
Imagine if you were arrested for killing the President, and after 24 hours, they finally let you see your spouse and your mother. What's the very first thing you're going to tell them?
If you believe, as I do, that Oswald was innocent, then you have to believe that he professed his innocence to his own wife. How could he not? And how could she not admit it?
Without a doubt, Marina baled on Oswald. I hate to say it. It pains me to say it. But, how much of her abandonment and betrayal of him was due to the MK-Ultra treatment she received? They warped her mind.
Mr. RANKIN. When you saw your husband on November 23d, at the police station, did you ask him if he had killed President Kennedy?
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ask him at that time if he had killed Officer Tippit?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I said. "I don't believe that you did that, and everything will turn out well."
After all, I couldn't accuse him--after all, he was my husband.
Mr. RANKIN. And what did he say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that I should not worry, that everything would turn out well. But I could see by his eyes that he was guilty. Rather, he tried t appear to be brave. However, by his eyes I could tell that he was afraid. This was just a feeling. It is hard to describe.
Mrs. OSWALD. No.
Mr. RANKIN. Did you ask him at that time if he had killed Officer Tippit?
Mrs. OSWALD. No. I said. "I don't believe that you did that, and everything will turn out well."
After all, I couldn't accuse him--after all, he was my husband.
Mr. RANKIN. And what did he say to that?
Mrs. OSWALD. He said that I should not worry, that everything would turn out well. But I could see by his eyes that he was guilty. Rather, he tried t appear to be brave. However, by his eyes I could tell that he was afraid. This was just a feeling. It is hard to describe.
It doesn't matter if she asked him or not, although I think she would. But, even if she didn't, he would have told her that he didn't.
Look: Just consider how many times Oswald declared his innocence to the public. "I didn't shoot anyone." I never killed anybody." "No, I did not, Sir, and I don't know what I am here for." "I emphatically deny these charges." Those are just off the top of my head. Why wouldn't he be less forthcoming to his wife?
That's it for tonight. Right now, I am disgusted with Marina. She trampled Oswald. All these women did.
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